Goodbye BJJ...

[Garland]

Garland, I'm still mad that you're moving to Thailand . . . don't talk to me!
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and come train at the UCTC if you get a chance. The Thai coach is this little 115pnd fireball that had 120 fights in Thailand (110 wins by KO) very old school, repeat it until its right, and a blast as a coach. The Jiu-Jitsu is absolutely out of this world and right now the classes are smallish so its a great time to get in there.

we're not moving to Thailand...
I need to get some stuff together this summer...but I'm hoping I can start working at @ Will's new place (he called me yesterday and said he got it)...but I'd love to stop by and meet this guy sometime, I love my Muay thai, and every chance I get to train with a new guy a little bit, I take something new away from the experience.

[DJColdfusion]

Sorry, I thought you said you were moving . . . oh well.

When is Wil having his grand opening? Its out by Prof. Sauer's old place right?

And the coach out here is definitely not the TBA type, perhaps he could be but he has yet to work on a combo longer than three or so strikes. The focus is on speed and power and needless to say its seriously fun. Wed. night when I knocked one of the Thai bags down while training elbows . . . he just sat there and laughed. Its relatively informal for a Thai class but its the most fun I've had training Muay Thai since I lived in Colorado (thanks Mike).

Can you name the person who said the following?

Keep da hanh uhp. S'ppose you not hanh uhp. BONG!!! They nail you."

[Garland]

When is Wil having his grand opening? Its out by Prof. Sauer's old place right?

I think it's on state street...I'm pretty sure he said 2257 south...but I'd call him back to make sure, I was half asleep when he called.

[sparks110972]

i suggest penence read more, esp. regarding neural trauma e.g. punch drunk syndrome. and garland vulgarity is usually a sign that one has nothing inteligent to say, are you a martial artist or a piss artist?

[OmaPlata]

If it were true, how often have you seen people get choked out in class or in competition? Seriously? Its extremely rare.

Ive put guys to sleep many times, completely asleep. as well ive been to sleep also, Its actually quite common in BJJ class. Just tell the guy "good morning" when he wakes up lol

[OmaPlata]

[QUOTE=DJColdfusion]Even if the choking thing were true, which I have never seen any evidence of any sort that would suggest that it is, being choked out is considerably less dangerous than being knocked out. Claiming

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being choked out really isnt dangerous at all if its not for a long period of time, theres no damage, being KTFO is way worse, the brain is bruised and concusions, etc often result. Having had both done to me Id pick being choked anyday over a KO, in fact 25-1

[aseepish]

geting choked out or choking out someone is nothing to be proud of, every time it hapens you suffer minor brain damage and anyone who does it is just plain irresponsible.

Ive put guys to sleep many times, completely asleep. as well ive been to sleep also, Its actually quite common in BJJ class. Just tell the guy "good morning" when he wakes up lol

Hmmm... that explains a lot.

Seriously, here's an M.D.'s opinion: http://bjj.org/articles/971014-gunther.html

[DJColdfusion]

Hmmm... that explains a lot.

Seriously, here's an M.D.'s opinion: http://bjj.org/articles/971014-gunther.html

So if you're gonna choke 'em out, and you wanna be nice, or you don't want to elicit struggle, seems like you would go for the five-pound vessels rather than the thirty-two-pound airway. Unless you're old-style LAPD.

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DOH!

[DJColdfusion]

[QUOTE=OmaPlata]

Even if the choking thing were true, which I have never seen any evidence of any sort that would suggest that it is, being choked out is considerably less dangerous than being knocked out. Claiming

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being choked out really isnt dangerous at all if its not for a long period of time, theres no damage, being KTFO is way worse, the brain is bruised and concusions, etc often result. Having had both done to me Id pick being choked anyday over a KO, in fact 25-1

I've been doing BJJ for four years and other arts that involve choking someone for much longer than that and I have only seen one person choked out in class and a few people completely choked out during BJJ and MMA competitions after all of that time. I have also judged, as a liscensed official, more than 350 MMA fights and a couple of grappling tournaments.

[Garland]

i suggest penence read more, esp. regarding neural trauma e.g. punch drunk syndrome. and garland vulgarity is usually a sign that one has nothing inteligent to say, are you a martial artist or a piss artist?

well...I CAN write my name in the snow...although I didn't find it very impressive...I guess what passes for art these days is pretty vague. So...both?

[jubaji]

but in a combat situation if i dont want to go there then noone will get me there.

.......................you hope.

[Shoot]

This is essentially a "BJJ is a sport" thread. I also have studied close combat, including use of weapons. The first rule of combat is to gain the advantage. That could mean a lot of things. However, close combat techniques are lethal or cause serious bodily injury. This is necessary in some very limited and unlikely circumstances, however lesser force is required in most situations. What are you going to do if some testosterone driven college student tackles you because you're wearing the wrong team's colors? Pull his eye out and rip out his throat? Or what if some drunk guy pushes you into a wall at a restaurant for some stupid reason? You going to pick up a butter knife off your table and jamb it into his jugular? MMA is brawling. Close combat techniques is killing. Both are "fighting."

[jubaji]

This is essentially a "BJJ is a sport" thread. I also have studied close combat, including use of weapons. The first rule of combat is to gain the advantage. That could mean a lot of things. However, close combat techniques are lethal or cause serious bodily injury. This is necessary in some very limited and unlikely circumstances, however lesser force is required in most situations. What are you going to do if some testosterone driven college student tackles you because you're wearing the wrong team's colors? Pull his eye out and rip out his throat? Or what if some drunk guy pushes you into a wall at a restaurant for some stupid reason? You going to pick up a butter knife off your table and jamb it into his jugular? MMA is brawling. Close combat techniques is killing. Both are "fighting."

Very well said

[sapatiero]

In my opinion BJJ was far too “sport” oriented to be of much value in a realistic situation.

It's sad that your club only did sport BJJ - far too many BJJ clubs have become one dimensional, and focus on the sport aspect too much IMO. I learnt a lot of practical self defense stuff from Reron/Rener/Rorion Gracie. But my current Gracie Barra instructor is only just learning these moves, despite being a multiple BJJ world champion.

[OmaPlata]

It's sad that your club only did sport BJJ - far too many BJJ clubs have become one dimensional, and focus on the sport aspect too much IMO. I learnt a lot of practical self defense stuff from Reron/Rener/Rorion Gracie. But my current Gracie Barra instructor is only just learning these moves, despite being a multiple BJJ world champion.

we would train street defense moves before and after class sometimes, during warmups, free mat time, saturdays. etc. BJJ is just a sport really anyway, just so happens that when someone else doesnt know it they get twisted into a knot