Kimora History

[smokerfights]

Why is the kimora called as such?

I heard it is because Kimora used it to beat a Gracie or something. Can someone tell me where to find the details of the story?


Thanks.

[DJColdfusion]

Essentially, Helio named the move "Kimura" to honor the man that broke his arm.

From "My Judo," by Masahiko Kimura:

'After I returned from Hawaii, I went to Brazil by the invitation of Sao Paulo Shinbun (Note: local Japanese newspaper company in Sao Paulo). Sao Paulo Shinbun, which was in a slump, came up with an idea of doing pro wrestling to revive their business. The period of contract was 4 months. The participants were I, Yamaguchi, and Kato 5th dan. This enterprise was a big success. Wherever we went, the arena was super-packed. This made Pres. Mizuno of Sao Paulo Shinbun very happy. When we asked for a pay raise, he tripled our original pay on the spot. In addition to pro wrestling, we gave judo instruction wherever we went.

One day, Helio Gracie, judo 6th dan, issued a challenge to us. The rule of the bout was different from that of judo or pro wrestling. The winner was decided by submission only. No matter how cleanly a throw is executed or how long Osaekomi lasts, it does not count. He issued a challenge to Kato 5th dan first. The gong rang. Kato was in good condition, and threw Helio a number of times. However, past 15 minute mark, I started to see frustration in Kato=s face. The throws had no damage on Helio since the mat was soft. At 30 min mark, it was evident that Kato was tired. "What's the matter, Kato, go to Newaza, don't stand up!" Japanese audience yelled. Kato then threw helio down by O-soto-gari, mounted on Helio, and started Juji-jime. The audience roared with excitement. But, as I watched carefully, Helio was also applying a choke from below. They were trying to choke out each other. This lasted about 3 or 4 minutes. Kato=s face started to turn pale. I shouted, "Stop!" to the referee, and jumped into the ring. When helio released his hands, Kato collapsed onto the mat, face first. 2 days after this bout, I saw Helio's students marching down a city street carrying a coffin. They were shouting, "Dead Japanese judoka Kato is in this coffin. He got killed by Helio. We ask your support for Judo Master Helio Gracie!"

After this bout, the popularity of our pro wrestling show declined rapidly. The Japanese whom we encountered on the street murmured, "They must be phonies, losing in such a pathetic manner." Helio issued another challenge, this time to Yamaguchi. Pres. Mizuno of Sao Paulo Newspaper also begged, "Mr. Yamaguchi, please kill Helio, this time." But Yamaguchi seemed reluctant, and asked "Let me think for one night." If he fought a judo match under the Japanese rule, Yamaguchi is superior to Helio both in Tachi-waza and Newaza. But under the Brazilian rule, if Helio got pinned on the ground, all he has to do is to stay calm and be cautious not to get caught in a choke or joint lock, and remain still till the time runs out. Helio could fight to a draw in this way. If he used this tactics, it would be difficult for Yamaguchi to make Helio surrender. I then said to Yamaguchi, "Do not bother to come up with a plan to make Helio submit. I will accept the challenge." Until the day of the bout, we continued pro wrestling shows every other day. 3 days before the bout, local newspaper had a big headline, saying "Kimura is not a Japanese. He seems to be a Cambodian. Helio cannot fight a fake Japanese." I was surprised to see it. I rushed to the Embassy of Japan with my passport, and got a proof that I am a Japanese.

20,000 people came to see the bout including President of Brazil. Helio was 180cm and 80kg. When I entered the stadium, I found a coffin. I asked what it was. I was told, "This is for Kimura. Helio brought this in." It was so funny that I almost burst into laughter. As I approached the ring, raw eggs were thrown at me. The gong rang. Helio grabbed me in both lapels, and attacked me with O-soto-gari and Kouchi-gari. But they did not move me at all. Now it's my turn. I blew him away up in the air by O-uchi-gari, Harai-goshi, Uchimata, Ippon-seoi. At about 10 minute mark, I threw him by O-soto-gari. I intended to cause a concussion. But since the mat was so soft that it did not have much impact on him. While continuing to throw him, I was thinking of a finishing method. I threw him by O-soto-gari again. As soon as Helio fell, I pinned him by Kuzure-kami-shiho-gatame. I held still for 2 or 3 minutes, and then tried to smother him by belly. Helio shook his head trying to breathe. He could not take it any longer, and tried to push up my body extending his left arm. That moment, I grabbed his left wrist with my right hand, and twisted up his arm. I applied Udegarami. I thought he would surrender immediately. But Helio would not tap the mat. I had no choice but keep on twisting the arm. The stadium became quiet. The bone of his arm was coming close to the breaking point. Finally, the sound of bone breaking echoed throughout the stadium. Helio still did not surrender. His left arm was already powerless. Under this rule, I had no choice but twist the arm again. There was plenty of time left. I twisted the left arm again. Another bone was broken. Helio still did not tap. When I tried to twist the arm once more, a white towel was thrown in. I won by TKO. My hand was raised high. Japanese Brazilians rushed into the ring and tossed me up in the air. On the other hand, Helio let his left arm hang and looked very sad withstanding the pain.'

[danfaggella]

Kimura was god-like.

[J-Luck]

So

So how good was Kimura, and how good was Helio. Who was the bigger guy? And who was stronger? Who had more mat time? Does anyone know? I saw a clip of their match before, but that's all I really know.

[TechniqueFreak]

Both Kimura and Helio were damn good at what they did. In his prime, Kimura was 5'6'' and 187 lbs. Not sure about Helio's height; his best weight was 154 lbs. When they fought, Kimura was at least 33 lbs. heavier. Kimura was far, far stronger than Helio. I know for a fact Kimura could bench press over 300 lbs. for reps. He routinely did 1,000 push-ups/day. Helio started training at 13, Kimura at 10, so they both had a lot of mat time. Kimura faced more opponents than Helio, and had a better fight record as well. I think Helio was more innovative, and probably had more detailed knowledge of ground positions/defense/reversals. Kimura was a formidable fighter and his throwing technique was unparalleled.

[SamuraiGuy]

Why is the kimora called as such?

I heard it is because Kimora used it to beat a Gracie or something. Can someone tell me where to find the details of the story?


Thanks.

*Waits for Tanto and Boarspear to come running*

[J-Luck]

Both Kimura and Helio were damn good at what they did. In his prime, Kimura was 5'6'' and 187 lbs. Not sure about Helio's height; his best weight was 154 lbs. When they fought, Kimura was at least 33 lbs. heavier. Kimura was far, far stronger than Helio. I know for a fact Kimura could bench press over 300 lbs. for reps. He routinely did 1,000 push-ups/day. Helio started training at 13, Kimura at 10, so they both had a lot of mat time. Kimura faced more opponents than Helio, and had a better fight record as well. I think Helio was more innovative, and probably had more detailed knowledge of ground positions/defense/reversals. Kimura was a formidable fighter and his throwing technique was unparalleled.

If he was benching over 300 with reps, he certainly wasn't doing 1000's of pushups. It's one or the other. Those numbers at his weight/height would counteract the other.

[OmaPlata]

kimura was over 200lbs, more like 210, helio 130

[Crunk Fighter]

kimura was the judo champ of the world at the time i think and helio wanted to test out his version of bjj because the version he was taught you had to overpower your opponet with brute strength helio was a frail lil bastard so he perfected the techniques using leverage so that fighters his size can have a fighting chance against a bigger and stronger opponent

[kwai chang pain]

You might check recent Black Belt Magazines. I read Part Two of an article about Kimura recently. Didn't catch part one. Talked about that match w/ Helio Grace in fact.

[Tant01]

*Waits for Tanto and Boarspear to come running*

Kimura dominated Helio the whole fight and broke his arm with UDE GARAMI!!

The fight was a national embarrasment for the Gracie family and Brasil!

[Tant01]

kimura was over 200lbs, more like 210, helio 130

The size and weight "advantage" gets more and more exagerated every year!!!

[JkD187]

If he was benching over 300 with reps, he certainly wasn't doing 1000's of pushups. It's one or the other. Those numbers at his weight/height would counteract the other.

EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH wrong try again smart guy.....http://bjj.org/interviews/kimura/

[Crunk Fighter]

EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH wrong try again smart guy.....http://bjj.org/interviews/kimura/

dude wasnt very big at but to be doin all th push up like they said he did thats crazy son must of had retarded strength

[Tant01]

dude wasnt very big at but to be doin all th push up like they said he did thats crazy son must of had retarded strength

I knew a guy in boot camp that did 1,000 pushups a day. He was accepted into the UDT SEAL program...


Masahiko Kimura used to practice his Osoto Gari on trees!