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Eh, look at BJJ takedowns this way... remember when you went to BJJ and got fucking owned by everyone.... you didnt know the techniques and you didnt understand the game.
At least when I learned BJJ takedowns as opposed to Judo or wrestling takedowns it was very very different. You were doing the same throws/takedowns, double legs, single legs, etc... O Goshi, Osoto Gari, etc...
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLD.
Think about hip movement on the ground, all the things you setup, your trying to sink the triangle, but you know in your head that if you do get the submission it will be five steps later, after you managed to sweep him and move to the armbar.
Things like that, setups, everything, until your doing that standing your not doing takedowns well. Remember how eye opening going to BJJ for the first time and getting owned was, same thing will happen.
You think you know how to single leg someone, try doing it to a Judoka, NOT EVEN A WRESTLER... a judoka, you will be fucking tossed in a second.
It's hard to explain it.... like for instance Kuzushi, who knows what that is, brekaing the balance, when doing BJJ standup I thought man I know what tihs is... then I went to judo... okay NOW I know what it is.. than after a month of Judo I realized what it TRULY was... and then 2 more months later, I got a whole new spin on it. Is it part of the throw or not? Does it include the pull, maybe in 15 years I could tell you what it is, but its fucked. Dont underestimate GOOD judo, or GOOD wrestling. Even blue/brown belts you might be able to muscle/not get raped. But just wait until you go against someone with real skills, its scary because no matter what you do your fucked.
Look at it this way... you can own everyone at your BJJ school in standup, and not have a clue about what its really like to grapple standing.
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Btw, I consider myself a BJJ guy first and foremost, consider that having read my post.
At least when I learned BJJ takedowns as opposed to Judo or wrestling takedowns it was very very different. You were doing the same throws/takedowns, double legs, single legs, etc... O Goshi, Osoto Gari, etc...
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLD.
Think about hip movement on the ground, all the things you setup, your trying to sink the triangle, but you know in your head that if you do get the submission it will be five steps later, after you managed to sweep him and move to the armbar.
Things like that, setups, everything, until your doing that standing your not doing takedowns well. Remember how eye opening going to BJJ for the first time and getting owned was, same thing will happen.
You think you know how to single leg someone, try doing it to a Judoka, NOT EVEN A WRESTLER... a judoka, you will be fucking tossed in a second.
It's hard to explain it.... like for instance Kuzushi, who knows what that is, brekaing the balance, when doing BJJ standup I thought man I know what tihs is... then I went to judo... okay NOW I know what it is.. than after a month of Judo I realized what it TRULY was... and then 2 more months later, I got a whole new spin on it. Is it part of the throw or not? Does it include the pull, maybe in 15 years I could tell you what it is, but its fucked. Dont underestimate GOOD judo, or GOOD wrestling. Even blue/brown belts you might be able to muscle/not get raped. But just wait until you go against someone with real skills, its scary because no matter what you do your fucked.
Look at it this way... you can own everyone at your BJJ school in standup, and not have a clue about what its really like to grapple standing.
Edit;
Btw, I consider myself a BJJ guy first and foremost, consider that having read my post.
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