erik paulson submission wrestling

[tel]

I said he was not as good as the good black belts anyone who spend enough time and money will get their belt eventialy. Perhaps you are right and he has improved, but I doubt the grappling at his facility can compete with that at Machados.

you should go train with him now. then you can get an idea where he's at. just an idea

[Rebiu]

I am not anti JKD.

Tim, that's more of an anti JKD line rather than anti Erik in my view.

I am not anti JKD. I was also training at Bustillo,s IMB in torrance and the Muay Thai, Escrima, and Boxing were good though not world class. There grapplers were nowhere near Machados who are world class.

OK, the better JKD guys have been playing catch up with BJJ. All the best people were! But they know lots of stuff that the BJJ guys don't.

This may be true. The Machados focus pretty much on pure grappling though and nobody I mean NOBODY in the area is as good as that school.

Now I'm not a devotee of either. But if I wanted to find something that made me a well rounded fighter, I'd go with JKD anytime over the brilliant, but limited, BJJ.

JKD is Jack of all trade but master of none. Machados have worked for years to build a depth of talent in their school you will not find outside of Brazil. Rigan takes students back to Brazil to train in the Academies there. I think you will be better of going to an excellent BJJ school, Excellent Boxing Gym, Excellent Muay Thai Camp ect.

[Rebiu]

Not Likely.

Erik Paulson's CSW is probably the most complete MMA system in all of america...i give my highest recomendation on training with Paulson....im sure eveyone else will agree.

Not likely. Ever hear of Militech Martial Arts in Davenport, Iowa.

[Rebiu]

I wouldn't use Ken Shamrock as a reference.

erik paulson is a world class instructor. people like ken shamrock go to him. if anybody says he sucks. have to question there understanding

Ken Shamrock is not the best reference in the world.

[Rebiu]

Bwahahahahaha

You're f*ckin' delusional. Erik still trains with the Machados on occasion and his JKD coach (Dan Inosanto) is a Machado blackbelt and I have heard Guro Inosanto say that Erik's current work is absolutely blowing his mind. And wasn't Erik barely a blue belt back in 94??

You think Dan Inosanto is a legit BJJ black belt aaaahahahahahahah. Dan Insosanto is a Martial Arts Business man and bit actor he is not a fighter and never has been. I apreciate what he has done for martial arts but he is not technique Guru.

I am Machado Jiu-JItsu guy (http://www.slcbjj.com), so don't even pretend that this is a slight on them, and I can guarantee you that Erik Paulson has never been left in the dust by anyone.

You think Paulson is competative with the Machado Bros themselves then? How many times has Paulsen submitted a Machado Brother?

That wasn't even a good try for a troll. A good troll bothers to take the time to understand the target of his derision . . . you just didn't take the time.

I trained at with Machado Brothers for three years. I trained with Eric a few times. I watched him teach classes at the Inosanto Academy. I watched a few of his fights. He sucks!

[Rebiu]

Belt worship.

....................Yea so his black belt in bjj with the MACHADO'S really makes it seem like he was left in the dust......And his Undefeated streak in Shooto being the Light Heavyweight Champion for five consecutive years doesnt mean much dose it huh? p.s your a moron

Gee how did he do that with a record of 10-4-1. I mean that is 5 wins.

[3mptin3ss]

I think you will be better of going to an excellent BJJ school, Excellent Boxing Gym, Excellent Muay Thai Camp ect.

i agree. all i ever hear from the jkd people is talk about getting certificates and all about business lol. i agree that you should just train with the people who are specialists and take time to master arts so you dont become a jack of all trades and remain mediocre in all areas.

[tel]

You think Dan Inosanto is a legit BJJ black belt aaaahahahahahahah. Dan Insosanto is a Martial Arts Business man and bit actor he is not a fighter and never has been. I apreciate what he has done for martial arts but he is not technique Guru.You think Paulson is competative with the Machado Bros themselves then? How many times has Paulsen submitted a Machado Brother?I trained at with Machado Brothers for three years. I trained with Eric a few times. I watched him teach classes at the Inosanto Academy. I watched a few of his fights. He sucks!

questions is. can you tap erik out. if you can then you can say he's no good. but people can't have shoots at people if they are not on their level.
also dan inosanto was trained along side his instructors top fighters. so he can.
dan inosanto is in his own league

[sapatiero]

back in 93 he was a long way from being competative

Mmmmm... And how good was Matt Hughes or Rich Franklin 13 years ago?

That's a long time to train, and he certainly knows his stuff now. I can base that on training with him last month. When did you train with him last?

This is an open forum for everyone, but surely advice based on experience 13 years ago is pretty useless?

[JkD187]

Not likely. Ever hear of Militech Martial Arts in Davenport, Iowa.

Yes i have a bunch of wrestlers and strikers with bad submission and submission defense.....Next?

[Thai Bri]

JKD is Jack of all trade but master of none.

Actually, if I were to bet on a fight between a "Jack of All Trades" versus a "Master of One", I'd vote for the former every time. Breadth is more valuable than depth.

[JkD187]

Gee how did he do that with a record of 10-4-1. I mean that is 5 wins.

................Well your real smart eh he won the belt after his fifth fight in shooto and defended it 2 times after that so thats seven fights in SHOOTO over the course of 5 years.....whats so hard to figure out about that.You fail to realize he fought 15 fights over the course of a 7 year career most of which were in Japan..and his losses were all BS except with Newton, the rest all grabed his hair and held him down while they won a decision/tko cut stoppage.

[sapatiero]

Hair today, gone tomorrow

grabed his hair and held him down

As if there weren't enough reasons already for not having a mullet...

[Rebiu]

Perhaps.

questions is. can you tap erik out. if you can then you can say he's no good. but people can't have shoots at people if they are not on their level.
also dan inosanto was trained along side his instructors top fighters. so he can.
dan inosanto is in his own league

I see you point and perhaps my critique was a bit harsh. I was very disapointed in Eric when I met him maybe he is a very different fighter today.

[Rebiu]

Perhaps.

Mmmmm... And how good was Matt Hughes or Rich Franklin 13 years ago?

Thirteen years was a long time ago it is true.

That's a long time to train, and he certainly knows his stuff now. I can base that on training with him last month. When did you train with him last?

You may be correct. The question now is how capable are you of judging his skill level.

This is an open forum for everyone, but surely advice based on experience 13 years ago is pretty useless?

Point taken though useless is obviously to absolute a notion to have any value in a discourse other than as an emotional appeal.