Mentality devide: Wrestling/BJJ

[danfaggella]

Knocking wrestling is senceless. I respect wrestling and what it brings to the table in martial arts, be in ring combat or the street. Throwing little low blows and posting funny little pictures is so childish and there really is too much of that on this site, please... quit it.

[Clooneytkd]

Well, lets see, you have TKD in your name, which really means "I LOVE STAND UP KARATE, THE KIND WHERE YOU DONT HAVE TO EVER REALLY FIGHT, BUT WHERE YOU ACT ALL COOL AND THROW HIGH KICKS AT THE AIR CUZ STEVE SEAGAL DID IT IN SOME MOVIES, AND WE ARE ALL PUSSYS AND NEVER WON SHIT IN MMA BUT THE REGULAR JOE DOESNT KNOW THAT, SO DONT BLOW OUR COVER ELSE THE WORLD WILL KNOW WHAT WIMPS AND FARCES WE REALLY ARE". LOL , now that about sums up what type of person takes TKD LOL, a real poser, a real TOOL !!! (need I say 'owned"? , I dont think so)

I took taekwondo to supplement my grappling. Yes, i did "fight" in tournaments. i have also done wrestling, judo, and san shou. others on these forums have done many other fighting styles and have acomplished alot. I'm just like everyone else. Just trying to get better at fighting thats all. If you actually knew how to fight i might argue with you but its pointless your probably 15 years old, grounded, and have nothing else to do than be annoying on the computer.
Anyways, alot of the aggression from wrestling has to do with the fear of getting points scored against you. So theirs always a sense of urgency unless your tech falling an opponent. Having been choked out alot because my main grappling system was wrestling i came away from jujitsu very humbled. but without my wrestling i wouldnt have been able to do most of the things i did. In some cases i converted wrestling moves into holds and very useful techniques. In time i did learn to be patient and realize that it wasn't over if i went to my back. Obviously thats where the two differ mainly. No back game plan. But thats also a wrestlings strength. Over time you become very well tuned to defending most everything that exposes you to your back. I would suggest combining the two if you want a well rounded grappling game. They both work well together.

[SamuraiGuy]

Just in a response to the TKD thing.. and I'm really lacking knowledge on anything TKD based.... although it's not the first thing I'll be signing up for.... think about this before you bash TKD.... I believe the quote was along the lines of "Any tool that does TKD" or "You got owned with your TKD" from omoplata, sorry mastergrappler.

I can find the exact quote for you, but Fedor.. wouldnt exactly call him a tool when it comes to fighting, said TKD is necessary.

Granted he's not the worlds biggest user of anything resembling TKD but.... just food for thought.

[DickHardman]

didnt gsp train in tkd? and he's the champion right now.

[gregimotis]

IP bans don't generally work as the user can reboot his router/gateway and get a new IP. What does work is to let Jubaji work him up until he gets banned again while the rest of us go about the business of ignoring him. It takes some discipline though - please don't respond to known trolls.

[Tom Yum]

Gregi, what's your take on the wrestling/bjj mentality divide?

[DickHardman]

And Spaceboy makes yet another screen name!

i made an agreement with mike b, and he decided to let me come back. im glad you guys like my new name though

[gregimotis]

Welcome back DH - glad that's all worked out.

Gregi, what's your take on the wrestling/bjj mentality divide?

For me it's the gi training that taught me to go slow and get everything in place before moving. I feel that the gi encourages technique over speed. That mentality has stayed with me now that I grapple without gi, although I'm having to admit that speed has it's own advantages and doesn't always equal sloppy technique.

[Tom Yum]

For me it's the gi training that taught me to go slow and get everything in place before moving. I feel that the gi encourages technique over speed. That mentality has stayed with me now that I grapple without gi, although I'm having to admit that speed has it's own advantages and doesn't always equal sloppy technique.

Interesting comparison: speed vs. technique.

I imagine its easier to teach a wrestler submission technique, than a BJJ guy speed + control?

[Tom Yum]

i made an agreement with mike b, and he decided to let me come back. im glad you guys like my new name though

Your name is funny, especially in the context of certain posts.

[MasterGrappler]

IP bans don't generally work as the user can reboot his router/gateway and get a new IP. What does work is to let Jubaji work him up until he gets banned again while the rest of us go about the business of ignoring him. I love sucking cock but I dont want to post that here. It takes some discipline though - please don't respond to known trolls.

You guys with the gay references are going to get banned long before Jubai, although he does suckle the testicles of the mods, so who knows

[jubaji]

Booooooooooorrrrrrrriiiiiiing......................

[Tom Yum]

Tactical comparisons: real-life examples

Wrestlers are better takedown artists, maintain a solid base and have a lot of takedown defenses. They are quick on their feet. On the ground, they stay active and work for control.

Jujitsu practitioners are more passive, comfortable working on their backs and can capitalize on excessive movement to execute a submission.

Let's take a look at several well-known wrestler vs. jujitsu matches.

Severn (pure wrestling) vs. Gracie (jujitsu)

Severn took Gracie down with no problem and nearly stacks him while in Gracie's guard. Gracie manages to keep him in his guard and the rest is here on video...



Teach a wrestler some subs and here's what you get...

Hughes (wrestling + submissions) vs. Gracie (jujitsu)

[SamuraiGuy]

didnt gsp train in tkd? and he's the champion right now.

Kyoukushin karate for GSP there, not TKD.

[MasterGrappler]

Wrestlers are better takedown artists, maintain a solid base and have a lot of takedown defenses. They are quick on their feet. On the ground, they stay active and work for control.

Jujitsu practitioners are more passive, comfortable working on their backs and can capitalize on excessive movement to execute a submission.

Severn (wrestling) vs. Gracie (jujitsu)

Severn took Gracie down with no problem and nearly stacks him while in Gracie's guard. Gracie manages to keep him in his guard and the rest is here on video...



Teach a wrestler some subs and here's what you get...

[I]Hughes (wrestling + submissions) vs. Gracie (wrestling)[/I]

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Royce probably knows at least ten times more submissions that Hughes, whos knows nothing more than the standard arm bar and rear naked choke, and kimura, like every white belt. Hes never completed a sub near as complex as even a omaplata, like Royce has. Poor Royce looked like a white belt in that fight though. It was GREAT to see the HUghes -the wrestling great and greatest ever weilterwieght blah blahblabh- get his ass handed to him AGAIN by a way better fighter