Mixed Martial Arts, One of the oldest forms of fighting.

[Tant01]

I give it everyone...

Tanto is to blame as well.



Men of such good judgment!

Phui....

I don't hate Ju.

[jubaji]

Tanto is to blame as well.



Men of such good judgment!

[jubaji]

Through the kind recognition of discerning gentlemen like yourself!

[jubaji]

If by "difficult time" you mean "pathological inability," then yes.

[Tom Yum]

He actually knew how to argue points and some people 'round here can't handle their own inflated egos enough to admit their wrong. I got along with him great

Boar was one of the few dudes on here who knew something about TCMAs. On top of that, he read alot of interesting things that most people didn't and that was kinda cool.

[jubaji]

I got along with him great

Dopes of a feather...

[kingoftheforest]

Some people choose to leave, not get chased off.

What happened to this guy? I like reading his posts.

He actually knew how to argue points and some people 'round here can't handle their own inflated egos enough to admit their wrong.

I got along with him great

[jubaji]

What happened to this guy? I like reading his posts.

He got chased off here time and time again because he was a one-note dope who (like someone else who ran away from here with his tail between his legs) he just couldn't handle it when anyone disagreed with him.

[TTEscrima]

Exactly. Its like a Civil War reenactment. Its as close as you can come to reality without the reality. You've got the uniforms and guns with no bullets.

Let me ask you something: What's the difference between kickboxing in the old days of Chuck Norris and Bill Wallace and MMA of today aside from the BJJ thrown in? The answer is that there is no difference except kickboxers were better at standup. They still are today, as we see MMA fighters getting knocked out left and right once they venture out of the waters of mediocrity and into elite kickboxing events like K-1.

The same thing happens once MMA fighters wander over to elite grappling events like the Abu Dhabi.

In other words, the so called evolution that is MMA is great as long as they stay in the pond where their talents are about equal.



Now you've made it clear that you full of shit. How is everything in MMA geared towards practicality and they will circle each other for sometimes over a minute before engaging each other? That's practical? Is that supposed to be "as close to reality as you can get"? Are flying armbars and flopping to the guard a part of that practicality too? Is shooting in practical when you don't know what you're shooting into?



Get the hell out of here. Those are the exception, not the rule. For every MMA match that ended quickly you've got 20 more than went to the cards. I've seen Gracie have a match that lasted over 20 minutes. His match was Severn was a classic case of what I'm talking about. You'd call Gracie's fight with Severn reality? It was a submission wrestling match, not the kind of encounter you'd see in a street environment.



How many times have we seen two MMA fighters brawl it out in the ring? When Wanderlei Silva got his ass beat by Vitor Belfort, he knew Belfort was the superior striker, but he attacked strength anyway. When Ken Shamrock fought Don Frye, he knew Don Frye was the bigger and stronger man, and he knew his own strength was NOT striking, but he attacked strength anyway. Same when Minowa decided to duke it out with Baroni. Minowa knew he was over-matched but wanted to show how tough he was. The list goes on and on and on.



First off, in a street fight there is no fight until the people are in striking distance. None of that bullshit that you see in the ring. Until people are within arms reach, there is no fight. And once you're in close quarters, you keep it there as best as you can and finish it. You don't push the guy away, put your hands up and start circling. You seriously watch too much television if that's your idea of reality.

And sorry to burst yet another of your bubbles, but both parties do not always get hurt in street fights. Well, if they're fighting like you they might. That says something about your own training if you think that before even going in you WILL definitely get hurt.

What happened to this guy? I like reading his posts.

[jubaji]

Until a question I already posted about in the CMA forums is brought up, and the trolling my every post stops I wont be either...Have you read what I already posted in the CMA forums? Do you know what Cracking is? Then even if I did explain the training you wouldn't understand it's method... I would have to teach you a vocabulary, a technique, a number of principles and a training method... I'll never get that far due to all the nonsense trolling...besides the fact, it isn't my job to teach you the essentials of an art you don't know the first thing about... Especially since the CMA forums are full of your nonsense or are you not Sherwinc as you claimed? So again, why should I waste my time educating a self admitted troll? People who didn't troll my old posts got videos and invites to class to see for themselves trolls got or ignored. I wont bother with explaining an art just so trolls can try to look cool trolling it, 10 people all jump in and want responses...then when I cant keep up you declare victory because 10 people with no idea about the art can shout down one who does, no thanks been there done that. I'll wait for the "experts" to show how little they really know about the things they stopped me from talking about.

Ah, these were good times....

[J-Luck]

Oh, my, God... lol. He called me that guy? A professional wrestler who dresses like an army guy???? Lol, yup that's me emptyness!

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Cena vs K-fed

Again... who is John Cena?!! I dont know how I got defensive... you just didnt explain!!!

This, is John Cena:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDpwLccffa8[/YOUTUBE]

[J-Luck]

all you did was say i was right, claimed poverty as your excuse for acting like a jerkoff, got waaay too over defensive over the john cena comment, and then you sent me a pm calling me an Arab. i wouldnt quite say you refuted anything.

Again... who is John Cena?!! I dont know how I got defensive... you just didnt explain!!!

I dont act like a jerkoff, I just bring your stupidity to light, and you get mad about it.

I'm not racist lol I just remember a while back reading a post where you got mad at someone for suggesting you were arab or something so i just decided to have fun with it. The arabian people are a great one and I wouldnt insult them. Not like you insulting poor people.

[Tom Yum]

I'm glad you make this point, as it's something I consider every time a person walks in wanting to be able to fight. I believe that martial arts instructors have a high moral obligation to do everything they can to ensure the things they teach will not be misused. One of the things I personally do to ensure this is I base the first full phase of a student's training on physical conditioning and learning what I call "intermediate force options." They learn punches, kicks, and other tools that can be lethal, but rarely are, and they are driven to work so hard on their conditioning that all but the most serious quit or wash out. The attrition rate at my school is something close to 80%, and I like it that way. I find that people looking for easy methods to harm or kill others don't take the time to go through rigorous programs in order to do so. Mostly, they do what Garland suggested and just get a knife or gun and "wing it." However, by making my program so arduous, I can weed out all but the most serious and most dedicated.

The second phase of training in my schools is built around sparring. Again, those who aren't scared off by intensive conditioning will usually fade when contact starts in earnest. They're learning to apply all of those intermediate force options on live, resistant partners, so the skills they have are functional. They generally prepare a student for the kinds of fights that are most common in our society (based on where I live and where my students generally live), and they give the student a very real appreciation for the consequences of fighting, even in a training scenario. They get hurt from time to time, and it gives them an appreciation for safety and staying out of trouble. This phase usually claims another low percentage of students to wash-out.

By the time a student has progressed to a point where I trust them with guns, live blades, etc., they have not only been training hard over a long period of time, but they have developed a serious work ethic, a dedication to their training, and a genuine bond with the other members of the school. By this time, it is not an exaggeration to say that the student has become a part of our training family, and has earned my trust through his actions and character. Even still, I limit the amount of firearms training and edged weapons stuff I share to a small circle or people, and to professionals like cops and soldiers who live and die by those methods. Professionals, incidentally, do not have to go through the first two phases to get to the lethal force options. They are deemed trustworthy by virtue of their volunteering to serve in the organizations they belong to.

Now this is bound to cause some confusion. I have long, long been an advocate of basing one's functional training on weapons and mass attack. I have long been at the forefront of the debate, saying that a person truly concerned with self-protection needs to address the tough stuff first - not empty hand, one on one fighting, but armed, multiple assailants coming from many directions at a time when it's hard to be ready. That is my focus, and it's what I advocate to people when asked for my honest opinion. I personally can think of no better focus for someone concerned with the realistic protection of himself or his family than those areas. Here's the caveat:

Because I have experienced the things I have, and because I choose to believe some of the lessons handed down to me by the people I respect most, I take my moral obligation very, very seriously. I know there are places people can go to learn to be deadly with a knife or a gun. That's why I don't teach beginners those things. If someone has a working knowledge or a professional need, I'll build on that for them, and I will stress moral responsibility and awareness of the law at all points. I don't have a way of judging character except by one's actions over time, so I require that "proof" from those learning from me. If I think someone has a real need for lethal measures, and that person has not proved their character to me, I will refer them first to the authorities, and then to people I know can help them. But I have seen up close and personal what the wrong end of a knifing or shooting means, both to the victim/loser, and to the families on both sides. And while I will continue to train in and seek improvement in lethal measures, I won't accept the moral burden of handing someone deadly tools before I know their character.

That's likely to draw some fire, but it's okay with me.

That's solid, Mike.

[WildWest.]

Does your school have a website Mike?? I like the sound of your training methods by the way.