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Hi,
I would like to address this message to everyone but especially KenJeet,
You are exactly the kind of guy I would like to get advice from. You sound like you've seen many common street fights. What I mean by that is fights by the average Joe that does not know any martial arts. I have been trying to compile all the different ways that common street fights start so that I can train for each of them (my reason for martial arts is not to compete but to protect myself on the street in the event that should ever be necessary)
“Having worked as a bouncer a few years back, I became privy to how most common fights begin and can tell you right now that the majoriy do involve two people saying okay let me show you what I've got and I want you to show me what you got. It rarely turns into a match style fight. Most fights that I have witnessed involve a close range encounter at a bar, club, etc., in which the guy either grabs you in a headlock, pushes you, tries the common John Wayne cross, bear hugs you from behind, puts you in a full nelson or tries to tackle you. These are all pretty common responses from the common Joe on the street. Although arts like Muay Thai, Boxing, etc., will make you a formidable fighter, you need a knowledge of effective close range attacks to vital points, locks, checks, buckles, as well as the knowledge to escape different kinds of attacks. However, I think there first needs to be some kind of training in the different ways to defend, break holds, move into trapping range, strike vital points, and disrupt an opponents knowledge before you go out there and try to slug it out like the next guy.”
Can you give me any specific advice on how to train for these scenarios, or any other ones that you or anyone else can think of. The place I live in does not have any BJJ or kick boxing schools so to a large extent I have to learn on my own, with my training (grappling) partner. So far I have purchased some great videos from Panther videos by Bas Rutten, some russian Sambo videos, some Marco Ruas videos, I have also look into some books that tell you how to get the most striking power possible (I have no idea whether that this kind of book is actually helpful as I have not bought it yet) I have also looked into a couple instructional books on street fighting :
1. A BOUNCER'S GUIDE TO BARROOM BRAWLING by Peyton Quinn
2. Some other books by Marc "Animal' MacYoung.
I would appreciate any advice anyone can give on how to train to fight on the street (not that I want to do that, for fear of getting stabbed or shot, but my concern is for when it is impossible to avoid a street fight). So that means any training methods any helpful books or videos, or any other advice.
I also want to give the list of the kind of fights I have seen and then I would really appreciate it if people would add to that list regarding types of fights they have seen (not counting fights where the two guys knew martial arts).
1. One guy tackles his opponent, (like a football tackle), then
starts punching him in the face from on top.
2. One guy gets his opponent in a head lock and starts punching him
in the face.
3. One guy pushes another guy, then they start to go at it.
4. The two guys grab eachother's shirts and start trading punches (i.e hockey fight).
5. One guy grabs the other guy's shirt and start punching him.
6. One guy grabs his opponent's shirt with both hands and lifts him
up against a wall, or pushes him against a wall.
7. two guys are staring down each other, and the people around them, push them into eachother other.
8. One guy (usually this guy is far bigger than his opponent) lifts another guy up by the shirt and goes eye to eye with him (he either lifts him completely off the ground or just pulls him close) then he starts punching him.
These are the only ways I have seen fights start in my life, but obviously I haven’t seen that many fights, so if anyone here could add to my list I would appreciate it.
Thanx, any advice is appreciated.
I would like to address this message to everyone but especially KenJeet,
You are exactly the kind of guy I would like to get advice from. You sound like you've seen many common street fights. What I mean by that is fights by the average Joe that does not know any martial arts. I have been trying to compile all the different ways that common street fights start so that I can train for each of them (my reason for martial arts is not to compete but to protect myself on the street in the event that should ever be necessary)
“Having worked as a bouncer a few years back, I became privy to how most common fights begin and can tell you right now that the majoriy do involve two people saying okay let me show you what I've got and I want you to show me what you got. It rarely turns into a match style fight. Most fights that I have witnessed involve a close range encounter at a bar, club, etc., in which the guy either grabs you in a headlock, pushes you, tries the common John Wayne cross, bear hugs you from behind, puts you in a full nelson or tries to tackle you. These are all pretty common responses from the common Joe on the street. Although arts like Muay Thai, Boxing, etc., will make you a formidable fighter, you need a knowledge of effective close range attacks to vital points, locks, checks, buckles, as well as the knowledge to escape different kinds of attacks. However, I think there first needs to be some kind of training in the different ways to defend, break holds, move into trapping range, strike vital points, and disrupt an opponents knowledge before you go out there and try to slug it out like the next guy.”
Can you give me any specific advice on how to train for these scenarios, or any other ones that you or anyone else can think of. The place I live in does not have any BJJ or kick boxing schools so to a large extent I have to learn on my own, with my training (grappling) partner. So far I have purchased some great videos from Panther videos by Bas Rutten, some russian Sambo videos, some Marco Ruas videos, I have also look into some books that tell you how to get the most striking power possible (I have no idea whether that this kind of book is actually helpful as I have not bought it yet) I have also looked into a couple instructional books on street fighting :
1. A BOUNCER'S GUIDE TO BARROOM BRAWLING by Peyton Quinn
2. Some other books by Marc "Animal' MacYoung.
I would appreciate any advice anyone can give on how to train to fight on the street (not that I want to do that, for fear of getting stabbed or shot, but my concern is for when it is impossible to avoid a street fight). So that means any training methods any helpful books or videos, or any other advice.
I also want to give the list of the kind of fights I have seen and then I would really appreciate it if people would add to that list regarding types of fights they have seen (not counting fights where the two guys knew martial arts).
1. One guy tackles his opponent, (like a football tackle), then
starts punching him in the face from on top.
2. One guy gets his opponent in a head lock and starts punching him
in the face.
3. One guy pushes another guy, then they start to go at it.
4. The two guys grab eachother's shirts and start trading punches (i.e hockey fight).
5. One guy grabs the other guy's shirt and start punching him.
6. One guy grabs his opponent's shirt with both hands and lifts him
up against a wall, or pushes him against a wall.
7. two guys are staring down each other, and the people around them, push them into eachother other.
8. One guy (usually this guy is far bigger than his opponent) lifts another guy up by the shirt and goes eye to eye with him (he either lifts him completely off the ground or just pulls him close) then he starts punching him.
These are the only ways I have seen fights start in my life, but obviously I haven’t seen that many fights, so if anyone here could add to my list I would appreciate it.
Thanx, any advice is appreciated.
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