SUPERMAN PUNCH-A Discussion

[Little Apple]

Heh, I'd like to change my vote to the Haduken please.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Well you know i like the throw option and seionage would be up there for this one but i think i would vote for a sasae tsurikomi ashi since he's got some momentum coming forward and no foundation the kuzushi is done for you if you're just quick enough on your feet. I've also seen a cool variation on osoto makikomi for use against a cross, but in this case it would involve stopping his momentum and reversing it so you'd really have to move into him almost with a shoulder check which is probably pretty dangerous and certainly ugly, but the nice thing is you come down in a perfect kesa gatame.

Basically any judo throw you're going to get will start with slipping to the inside of the punch

[Hardball]

Well you know i like the throw option and seionage would be up there for this one but i think i would vote for a sasae tsurikomi ashi since he's got some momentum coming forward and no foundation the kuzushi is done for you if you're just quick enough on your feet. I've also seen a cool variation on osoto makikomi for use against a cross, but in this case it would involve stopping his momentum and reversing it so you'd really have to move into him almost with a shoulder check which is probably pretty dangerous and certainly ugly, but the nice thing is you come down in a perfect kesa gatame.

Basically any judo throw you're going to get will start with slipping to the inside of the punch

Yea, I was wondering when the Judo/Jujitsu Bros were going to reply to this thread. Basically, I agree with you with the momentum as he is Kuzushing himself. Osoto makikomi sounds nice but I'd prefer to pile drive rather than go for the kesa gatame. Kesa is basically to hold him in place whereas I'd be looking for the finish. Some know how to submit with kesa gatame but it is hard to do. Also the sasae tsurikomi ashi would be possible but I would think it would be easier to just go with the sacrafice throw. Either way, you would stun him with a throw and set yourself up for a big round on points even if you don't finish him off on the ground.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Yea, I was wondering when the Judo/Jujitsu Bros were going to reply to this thread. Basically, I agree with you with the momentum as he is Kuzushing himself. Osoto makikomi sounds nice but I'd prefer to pile drive rather than go for the kesa gatame. Kesa is basically to hold him in place whereas I'd be looking for the finish. Some know how to submit with kesa gatame but it is hard to do. Also the sasae tsurikomi ashi would be possible but I would think it would be easier to just go with the sacrafice throw. Either way, you would stun him with a throw and set yourself up for a big round on points even if you don't finish him off on the ground.

Well there are a few chokes from kesa, and while it is nice for holding them in place i also find it to be a pretty dynamic position, being a good place to transition to side control or even mount. Plus one of my favorite armbars is done from kesa. Grab their wrist and just force the arm down so their elbow is locked against your thigh. The cool thing about it is when you've got the arm down about halfway, you can bring up your other leg to help prevent him from muscling out of it. It's hard to get the grip you want on his wrist, but once you've got it started it's very secure.

[Hardball]

Well there are a few chokes from kesa, and while it is nice for holding them in place i also find it to be a pretty dynamic position, being a good place to transition to side control or even mount. Plus one of my favorite armbars is done from kesa. Grab their wrist and just force the arm down so their elbow is locked against your thigh. The cool thing about it is when you've got the arm down about halfway, you can bring up your other leg to help prevent him from muscling out of it. It's hard to get the grip you want on his wrist, but once you've got it started it's very secure.

That may work in the Dojo but this is the UFC we are talking about. Your best bet it to go for a garami and not a gatame. But you do have a point about the yoko shiho..................Blam, right into a juji gatame. Winner by Tapout!!!

[Hardball]

Hey, I've been trying but cannot get it right!!! Can someone post a link showing a clip of the superman punch? Thanks

[bigred389]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BrYV6_jOWsQ

Wait for end of first round.

[Ardith]

Kryptonite or magic would probably be the most effective tools.

[fire cobra]

Muay thai counters to a incorectly used"superman punch" 1) tiip, 2)sole of the foot sweep to the trailing leg,if the punch is used correctly then these counters are not effective,the punch as seen in mma so far although sometimes effective is not the way nak muay would use the punch.

[Hardball]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BrYV6_jOWsQ

Wait for end of first round.

Thanks, I've been wanting to see that fight. His superman punch wasn't as Airborne as what I am used to seeing.

[Nips]

BAHAHAHAHA - Haduken! Yes! Me and a mate recently went to an 18th dressed as Ken and Ryu (Had to come as something beginning with the first letter of your name, my name being Kit, his name being Rhys, it was the obvious choice), as we both dabble in MA we pretty much spent entire night challenging each other to duels and Haduken-ing each other to oblivion with some light sparring. People loved it. Anyway, that's my story.

If you have fast legs, and see it early, go for the teep. If not... I'd say parry, but I haven't ever seen it happen to a decently set up superman, so just try and get out of the way and take advantage of him being off balance a split second... maybe even send one straight back at him?

[kuk sool won]

I say go Cobra Kai style, sweep the leg!

'strike first, strike hard, no mercy.
Cobra Kai never dies.'

[Hardball]

I say go Cobra Kai style, sweep the leg!

'strike first, strike hard, no mercy.
Cobra Kai never dies.'

Which sweep? There are lots of them. Remember this site is full of competent Martial artist, you gotta be more specific.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Which sweep? There are lots of them. Remember this site is full of competent Martial artist, you gotta be more specific.

watch last 20 minutes or so of The Karate Kid for a refresher

[Hardball]

watch last 20 minutes or so of The Karate Kid for a refresher

I was thinking more on the lines of De ashi, o' uchi, ko' uchi, ko soto gari, ko soto gake, or even heza or sa sae. Well, it does matter anywhere--this thread is not nearly as successful as I thought it would be. LOL