who stands a better chance?

[Shoot]

Speaking in general, I'd back a strength athlete, especially if the sport is a combat sport like football or hockey. I think the mechanics involved in football more closely resemble real combat than the martial arts in question. I'd even back the x-gamer if we're talking about real man to man fighting here. I think the athletic person without formal training in something ineffective is more dangerous and more likely to use the environment in a fight, ie. a rock, bottle, car keys etc...

Tackle and pound is pretty much how primates fight. Weight lifting and power sports prepare you pretty well for this. TKD, Hapkido, etc... don't. That's a fact, Jack.

[kiddbjj]

do i dare posting this thread in the traditional style forums...

i'll need to find my iron body manual first

[TigerClaw]

ok so the other day i was thinking about all these people training in non-combat sport type styless, ie. NOT bjj, judo, boxing, muay thai, wrestling, shooto, etc.

rather

the other stuff like aikido, jap ju jits, hapkido, tkd etc. All these people generally believe or are told they are training for self defence but generally what they are taught is quite crappy compared to the combat sports as mentioned above.

SO, then I thought about people from physically challenging sports like football, ice hockey, high level tennis, sprinters, athletes in explosive track and field sports, good soccer guys, powerlifters and weight lifters, fitness buffs with no particular sport but who are strong explosive and have good anaerobic capacity, extremers like ramp bmx or blading etc. and i begin to think that i would probably back most of these people in a fight against people from the non-combat sport list.

WHY? Well because they are used to training at high intensity and dealing with the pain and mental strain that that entails, they would be disciplined and able to cope with high pressure competative situations, they would probably train daily in an variety of modalities like stretching, gym, skill work, cardio etc, they would be seasoned competitors and not easily psyched out, they would be very confident of their physicaly abilities, and overall they would be used to fighting through pain and not quitting in the face of adversity.

SO, who would you back?

You didn't mention a Gung Fu fighter. Gung Fu is among one of the most advanced and powerful fighting systems on the planet.

[Heroic Wolf]

Classic debate! I think it depends on the person, but as a general rule the explosive athlete would win since he has the competitive aggression to drive an attack and once he has the traditional martial artist on the defensive, the more extensive skillset won't mean that much.

[TigerClaw]

ok so the other day i was thinking about all these people training in non-combat sport type styless, ie. NOT bjj, judo, boxing, muay thai, wrestling, shooto, etc.

rather

the other stuff like aikido, jap ju jits, hapkido, tkd etc. All these people generally believe or are told they are training for self defence but generally what they are taught is quite crappy compared to the combat sports as mentioned above.

SO, then I thought about people from physically challenging sports like football, ice hockey, high level tennis, sprinters, athletes in explosive track and field sports, good soccer guys, powerlifters and weight lifters, fitness buffs with no particular sport but who are strong explosive and have good anaerobic capacity, extremers like ramp bmx or blading etc. and i begin to think that i would probably back most of these people in a fight against people from the non-combat sport list.

WHY? Well because they are used to training at high intensity and dealing with the pain and mental strain that that entails, they would be disciplined and able to cope with high pressure competative situations, they would probably train daily in an variety of modalities like stretching, gym, skill work, cardio etc, they would be seasoned competitors and not easily psyched out, they would be very confident of their physicaly abilities, and overall they would be used to fighting through pain and not quitting in the face of adversity.

SO, who would you back?

I would always back the ones you forgot to mention, the Chinese Kung Fu styles. I believe that the many styles of Kung Fu have such a vast amount of combat survival techniques that a man would have to spend his whole life to just touch the surface of them all.

[JadeDragon]

I would always back the ones you forgot to mention, the Chinese Kung Fu styles. I believe that the many styles of Kung Fu have such a vast amount of combat survival techniques that a man would have to spend his whole life to just touch the surface of them all.

What about a woman???? Is kung fu only for men?

[JadeDragon]

Let us re-ask the question and ask who would you "back"? A mixed martial artist or a well fit athlete such as a football player, or a baseball player, or a rugby player, etc...? Why do you feel that a MMA would be better prepared for a real fight than a TMA???? Once again its not the style but the person and the way he trains that determines how a fight ends.

[MrE]

So close minded,

As someone who started their martial arts training in Rhee Tae Kwon Do, i understand full well the limitations of non-contact martial arts.
HOWEVER... deciding who you would back based on the style they practice is absurd. It ENTIRELY depends on the person in question.
As I stated, I started in Rhee TKD, yet because of my aptitude and (without boasting) natural skills, i was able to successfully transfer some of what i learned onto the street.
And yes, i have encountered my fair share of rugby players, and all round "tough country boys".
I find the attitude on this site to be very simple and elitist. Constantly: BJJ is the best, Muay Thai is the best.

Its not the style that makes the fighter.

Erik

[jubaji]

It ENTIRELY depends on the person in question.

A good point taken a bit too far.

[MrE]

please elaborate?

[jubaji]

Two people of roughly equal natural ability. One trains at a serious place with plenty of full-on sparring and serious hard work. The other trains at KarateSteve's Dojo in the strip mall where no one has broken a sweat in five years and the closest thing to really testing what they do is two-step partner drills. You are down to your last $5 and you have to bet it on one of them in a fight. Where you putting your money down?

[Ben Grimm]

TigerClaw, TCMA can work in a street altercation. But not the way you claim it would.

[MrE]

good point.
My money would be on the McDojo ; )

[jubaji]

good point.
My money would be on the mcdojo ; )

.........................lol :d

[MrE]

I have to admit that it is a fun thing inviting your typical rugby "jock" to training and watching junior belts wipe the floor with them.
If they had half a brain it would give them a sense of humility...