Mayweather on the UFC

[slayer31]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoMzRLGukxA

might have been posted already. but gives you a nice view.

[J-Luck]

I have 6 mma fights & 65 boxing matches, at least admit mma guys don't hit anywhere close to as hard as boxers do! no where close! that is a fact and a undisputible one, butterbean was a circus show not a real boxer!

the best response is they are 2 different sports, completely, no one in the ufc could box with a guy ranked in the top 25 and last 2 rds, and the reverse is probably true as well!

No.... the reverse is without a doubt true. To be honest, you could throw the sloppiest takedown ever from outside kicking range and still slam a pure boxer. I know this because I am a boxer and a wrestler and a jiu-jitsu guy. I perform all three in different gyms, and have taken down boxers like it was my job lol, without them being able to stand a chance against stopping me.

[J-Luck]

i agree that chucks sprawl is excellent. and you are right, he doesnt fight guys with the same level of kickboxing, they arent terribly great. chucks kickboxing honestly is that great either if you watch some of his older tapes, his kicks even now. His boxing is a different story, interesting style.... but if you really watch the chuck/rampage 1 fight watch how badly he was destroyed. when i say its becaus ehe is fighting with the 4oz, his awkward angles have more potential to be neutralized by the bigger gloves. chucks punches easily slip the smaller guard, you put chuck in a k1 setting and i dont think he would make it past the first guy he faces. and please dont bring up overeem, god i hate overeem hahaha

I think people forget that Chuck isn't just good with his takedown defense. He was a Cali freestyle champ, and went to nationals and did ok... that's not just "takedown defense", thats like, better wrestling than 85% of MMA fighters. If he so chose, he could takedown more than 3/4 of his opponenents.

[Britt]

It would tickle me to no end to see Floyd get in with a top MMA lightweight. Please, if anyone reading this has any pull with Dana White whatsoever, dear God, tell him that I will campaign all over the country if he puts the fight together. Even if he offered Floyd a $15 million or $20 million dollar payday, just seeing Floyd back out like a punk with no excuses to save him would be worth watching a Spike special.

Oh, Lordy yes. That would be sweeter than honey.

They wouldn't have a chance to grapple (us) because we'd knock them out," Mayweather said in general. "(The fighter) would be knocked out before he even touched us."

Spoken like a man who's never felt a leg kick in his life. No kickboxer or MMArtist in his weight class could hang with Mayweather in straight boxing match (or they'd do it and make a few million), but if he thinks he could just tra-la-la into an octagon and beat up an MMA champion, he's dreaming.

[Micker]

mma

I think it all comes down to who would win in a no hold bars fight. Thats the question people want to know. Before UFC, boxing champs were looked at like the toughest guys on the planet. Now with the UFC and mma what it is, people are starting to realize that boxing is only one piece of the pie when it comes to fighting.

Would Maywether win in a MMA fight or no hold bars fight against the top UFC guys?? Hell no, not a chance. He would get taken down easily and submitted just as easy. At 155 he is very powerful for his size, but not exactly a heavyweight, one shot KO fighter. Now if Maywether trained some BJJ etc., he would be a force for sure. But why would he bother going through all that, when he is making more $$ then all the fighters in the UFC combined, doing what he does best??

I would pay any amount of money to see Royce Gracie fight him. That would be funny to see an older guy like that, take his young punk butt down!! Its sad that the best fighters in the world(MMA), are getting peanuts compared to their boxing counterparts. I think that is going to change soon and that is one of the reasons that Floyd was trying to crap on the UFC. He knows the UFC offers more excitement and is starting to gain more popularity then boxing, esp with the younger generation.

He is an AWESOME boxer though.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

He's just ignorant to the sport thats all. If all he's seen of MMA is "The Ultimate Fighter" shows/fights on SPIKE and the UFN's then i dont blame him.

If any of you saw the last fight on TUF last week, you'd know what im talking about. It was the fight between Nate Diaz and Rob Emerson. That fight had to be worst MMA fight ive ever seen. So sloppy, nontechnical, just wild brawl where there was not even any power behind the punches.

Yet it was billed as "One of the most exciting fights that's ever been on the show", thats an exact quote. lol

If Mayweather has seen fights like that, then its no mystery why he thinks he can KO any UFC lightweight with ease.

Besides, he thinks UFC is something pretty new, which it is kinda. To him, its like a brand new Tough man competition. The UFC hardly even mentions that the sport is actually called "Mixed Martial Arts". All you hear is "UFC", "Ultimate fighting" . The point is, Mayweather has a really limited view on what the sport and its' top notch fighters are about because of how UFC/Spike show it to the general public.

If he had a full year of really good wrestling/jiu jitsu training just working on defense, he could KO alot of MMA fighters including the champion.

[Tom Yum]

Pure boxers who've fought in the UFC:

Art Jimmerson
Melten Bowen

Both got tapped. UFC isn't boxing; boxing isn't UFC. Boxers have done so-so in K-1. Some impressive knockouts and some unfortunate losses.

I'm sure most MMA fighters would get beat up in a pure boxing match.

[bigred389]

Being ignorant still is not an excuse for the crap that comes spewing out of his mouth.

TUF 5 guys are practically amateurs. If he'd seen Sean Sherk, he should be friggin terrified.
And again...I really don't like Sherk as a fighter, but he'd MAUL PBF.

[J-Luck]

He's just ignorant to the sport thats all. If all he's seen of MMA is "The Ultimate Fighter" shows/fights on SPIKE and the UFN's then i dont blame him.

If any of you saw the last fight on TUF last week, you'd know what im talking about. It was the fight between Nate Diaz and Rob Emerson. That fight had to be worst MMA fight ive ever seen. So sloppy, nontechnical, just wild brawl where there was not even any power behind the punches.

Yet it was billed as "One of the most exciting fights that's ever been on the show", thats an exact quote. lol

If Mayweather has seen fights like that, then its no mystery why he thinks he can KO any UFC lightweight with ease.

Besides, he thinks UFC is something pretty new, which it is kinda. To him, its like a brand new Tough man competition. The UFC hardly even mentions that the sport is actually called "Mixed Martial Arts". All you hear is "UFC", "Ultimate fighting" . The point is, Mayweather has a really limited view on what the sport and its' top notch fighters are about because of how UFC/Spike show it to the general public.

If he had a full year of really good wrestling/jiu jitsu training just working on defense, he could KO alot of MMA fighters including the champion.

Ummm, I'd hope it'd take more than a year.... lol. A year to learn to even compete with the elite wrestler sean sherk is? And he's not too shabby with his jiu-jitsu either.

[rev.jc]

the problemb with your analogy!

The two guys you listed as boxers lets face it were bums!

Maywether while not a heavy puncher I guarentee punches harder than anyone in the UFC, hard punching can not be taught, it is like throwing a fast ball, if you had taken the USA boxing coaches seminar you would be familiar with this story, but Oscar Delahoya's trainer said that it sounded like a shot gun going off when he hit the heavy bag at 13 (119 lbs.!) Boxers hit harder with 160z sparring gloves.

I am not saying he would win, I am saying if he lands a punch it is not like the punches landing now, if mayweather was on that TUF either of those guys would be in the hospital, if not in a deep coma! Boxing is far more dangerous than MMA, the reason being you have no out, in MMA you can go to the ground, or tie up without being broken, I 've said it before on this sight Tyson broke mitch greens jaw with a open hand, a slap guys, now come on that is power!

another point is it is harder to mma fight in a ring, you can slide on the ropes & rope-a dope, anyway I just wanted to bring that up, there have never been any boxers ranked higher than 12th in any major sanctoning body in the UFC, never!

[Tom Yum]

I'm not dissing boxing at all, rev. jc.

Yes - I know what you mean about the sound of a fighter banging the bag. If the guy is hittin' real hard, even the room shakes!

In a pure boxing venue, I do believe most MMA fighters would get beat. But in an MMA venue, the boxers would get taken.

MMA fighters have a little boxing experience, but your taking someone who might make a solid amateur and pitting him against a true hard-hitting professional under Marquis de Queensbury rules.

If you allow leg kicks, knees, neck clinch, takedowns and submissions and the boxer hasn't cross-trained he's going to get beat unless he can land a knockout punch real quick.

Take a pro-boxer and train him well in MMA tactics, while maintaining his boxing game and he'd be one bad ass fighter. I think Mike Tyson, today, would make an excellent MMA fighter. He still has alot of power in both hands; if he learned a little takedown defense, clinch work and low kicks he'd make good headways - provided that he didn't loose his cool and start biting again.

I'd like to see your opinion about several non-boxing fighters boxing ability:

Ramon Dekkers
Albert Kraus
Vitor Belfort

[bigred389]

The two guys you listed as boxers lets face it were bums!

Maywether while not a heavy puncher I guarentee punches harder than anyone in the UFC, hard punching can not be taught, it is like throwing a fast ball, if you had taken the USA boxing coaches seminar you would be familiar with this story, but Oscar Delahoya's trainer said that it sounded like a shot gun going off when he hit the heavy bag at 13 (119 lbs.!) Boxers hit harder with 160z sparring gloves.

I am not saying he would win, I am saying if he lands a punch it is not like the punches landing now, if mayweather was on that TUF either of those guys would be in the hospital, if not in a deep coma! Boxing is far more dangerous than MMA, the reason being you have no out, in MMA you can go to the ground, or tie up without being broken, I 've said it before on this sight Tyson broke mitch greens jaw with a open hand, a slap guys, now come on that is power!

another point is it is harder to mma fight in a ring, you can slide on the ropes & rope-a dope, anyway I just wanted to bring that up, there have never been any boxers ranked higher than 12th in any major sanctoning body in the UFC, never!

Fine...how about Nishijima? Not the "greatest" by any stretch, but a boxing champ is a boxing champ. And he's been tapped out plenty of times.
And by Phil Baroni of all people...not exactly a submission master or big time wrestler.
Also lost a slugging match with Mark Hunt, but one could almost joke that that was a fix from the start by setting up a striker with a larger guy who seems impossible to knock out.

[bigred389]

I'm not dissing boxing at all, rev. jc.

Yes - I know what you mean about the sound of a fighter banging the bag. If the guy is hittin' real hard, even the room shakes!

In a pure boxing venue, I do believe most MMA fighters would get beat. But in an MMA venue, the boxers would get taken.

MMA fighters have a little boxing experience, but your taking someone who might make a solid amateur and pitting him against a true hard-hitting professional. If you allow leg kicks, knees, neck clinch, takedowns and submissions and the boxer isn't prepaired he's going to get beat unless he can land a knockout punch real quick.

Take a pro-boxer and train him well in MMA tactics, while maintaining his boxing game and he'd be one bad ass fighter. I think Mike Tyson, today, would make an excellent MMA fighter. He still has alot of power in both hands; if he learned a little takedown defense, clinch work and low kicks he'd make good headways.

I'd like to ask your opinion about several non-boxing fighters boxing ability:

Ramon Dekkers
Ernesto Hoost
Vitor Belfort

Don't forget Big Nog.

[Tom Yum]

Rev.jc and Big Red,

Overtime, MMA fighters abilities have gradually improved across the board in every range. Watch UFC 1, a few UFC's in between and today.

Wrestlers are picking up boxing really quick and laying out guys in the ring - allbeit nothing like De LaHoya, Hearns or Holyfield.

Take Randy Couture for instance. He started out as a world-class wrestler with some difficulty understanding submissions.

He gradually learned and demonstrated more and more submissions and escapes in his matches. Then, he starts picking up the stand up game - knocking out Chuck Liddell using the same boxing tools Chuck was infamous for.

I think we'll see MMA fighters who will eventually be able to compete with professional boxers in 8-12 round fights. Who knows? By that time, the economics of NHB could be on par with pro-boxing and if that happens, boxers may be willing to fight top MMA names, perhaps on some negotiated rules?

Both sports are run and owned as businesses, so who knows what kinds of mergers or spin-offs are possible. The closest historical example we have to run off this are the 90's, when there were two major professional wrestling organizations - the WWF and WCW. The WWF acquired the WCW and became what is now WWE. Would an MMA boxing merger make sense? How about a K-1 & boxing merger?

The K-1 fan base would probably be more willing to buy boxing subscriptions than the UFC fan base, I'm guessing.

Anyhow as long as there are great fighters in MMA and boxing, they will always wonder how well they'd do against the other. Seeing as how MMA guys are hungry to pick up boxing skills, we may see this sooner rather than later.

[Mako Victim]

Hmmm. Not sure, but From what I've read the UFC spent about $6.4 million on fighter payrolls*. That's the entire year -- 17 events**, 296 fights, 592 fighters.

Not very much at all compared to Mayweather making 20 million in one fight... Hell if those number's are right he's making more money then everyone in the UFC combined for the next three years..