My new mma rankings

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Light heavyweight: ... ehhh you misplaced everyone and missed some people. Rampage should not be that low... I don't know what you were thinking... Jardine should be below Griffin, just because he won doesn't mean he's a better fighter.

Middleweight: Not too bad on this one. One thing wrong though. Top Middleweight is Lindland. Hands down. Like, no debate, just like Fedor is top heavy weight. In fact Lindland might be the top pound for pound fighter in MMA, how you could miss him is beyond me...

Welterweight: Same as light heavyweight, everyone here is misplaced.

Where's your lightweight rankings?

Alot of the rankings that are below top 3 or 4 start to get opinion based.

I added in Lindland. i dont know how i forgot to add him in the first place. But i put him at number 2 because Dan Henderson would dominate him IMO. Better striking and better Greco.

I didnt do LW cause it'd be a mess. Lets see some of your rankings???

[jigmastermatt]

Koscheck before Matt Hughes?

[bigred389]

Koscheck before Matt Hughes?

Koscheck is arguably a better wrestler than Hughes.

And his standup...could be better.

I think Hughes has the better jiujitsu though.

But I could see Koscheck boring out a decision against Hughes as well.

[WildWest.]

I put him as H.M. cause there simply isnt enough spots. Most of those Heavyweights would sub him expect for the guys like Sylvia and Cro Cop who are the only ones he could probably beat now.

Yeah that's a fair comment but because Hunt hasn't fought most of the heavyweights you mention that are ahead of him I guess we can only speculate as to how he'd fair against them. But it's probably correct to assume he'd be subbed by the better ground fighters. After all Hunt is primarily a striker with a strong jaw.

[J-Luck]

Alot of the rankings that are below top 3 or 4 start to get opinion based.

I added in Lindland. i dont know how i forgot to add him in the first place. But i put him at number 2 because Dan Henderson would dominate him IMO. Better striking and better Greco.

I didnt do LW cause it'd be a mess. Lets see some of your rankings???

Ummmmm no lol. Henderson would put up a good fight, and surely COULD win, but then again, Cro Cop COULD BEAT Fedor, though, it just doesn't happen.

I would love to, it would take some though and research though, which I don't feel like doing. I would go with this though, Penn number one, and sherk number two.

[J-Luck]

Koscheck is arguably a better wrestler than Hughes.

And his standup...could be better.

I think Hughes has the better jiujitsu though.

But I could see Koscheck boring out a decision against Hughes as well.

All together, Hughes is better. Not overwhelmingly, but decisively.

Striking, Hughes has been improving(due to geting his ass handed to him every time he trys to strike, I think he got the picture). I think striking, Hughes has the slight advantage, that is, assuming he's stayed the same since the lytle fight, but I know he's constantly trying to get better.

The variable here is Koscheck. His striking was great against sanchez, but unless he continues to get better it may not be as good as Hughes. While he is more athletic and explosive with his striking, Hughes is more instinctive and accurate IMO.

Wrestling, hands down, Koscheck is better. In fact, being a 2x NCAA champ, he's in the top ten of all wrestlers in MMA, without a doubt. Hughes took 5th his senior year, and while to the average guy that's an unattainable amount of skill, in comparison to Koscheck, it's rather unimpressive. Hughes is in the same league, but at the bottom of it, while Koscheck is at the top. Though Hughes' strength does give him a certain edge beyond his technique sometimes.

Hughes' jiu-jitsu is what wins it here. He is the far better jiu-jitsu guy. Not even in the same league here. Eddy Bravo says it all the time, if he was ranked, he would be ranked amongst the elite jiu-jitsu black belts. I would say if he decided to enter ADCC today, it would be a farrrrrrrrr different outcome than last time.

[bigred389]

All together, Hughes is better. Not overwhelmingly, but decisively.

Striking, Hughes has been improving(due to geting his ass handed to him every time he trys to strike, I think he got the picture). I think striking, Hughes has the slight advantage, that is, assuming he's stayed the same since the lytle fight, but I know he's constantly trying to get better.

The variable here is Koscheck. His striking was great against sanchez, but unless he continues to get better it may not be as good as Hughes. While he is more athletic and explosive with his striking, Hughes is more instinctive and accurate IMO.

Wrestling, hands down, Koscheck is better. In fact, being a 2x NCAA champ, he's in the top ten of all wrestlers in MMA, without a doubt. Hughes took 5th his senior year, and while to the average guy that's an unattainable amount of skill, in comparison to Koscheck, it's rather unimpressive. Hughes is in the same league, but at the bottom of it, while Koscheck is at the top. Though Hughes' strength does give him a certain edge beyond his technique sometimes.

Hughes' jiu-jitsu is what wins it here. He is the far better jiu-jitsu guy. Not even in the same league here. Eddy Bravo says it all the time, if he was ranked, he would be ranked amongst the elite jiu-jitsu black belts. I would say if he decided to enter ADCC today, it would be a farrrrrrrrr different outcome than last time.

I don't get that at all. Why are you referencing the Lytle fight as a standup benchmark for Hughes?

Kos by stall and brawl.

I think Hughes is a more "nice" guy, but Kos could do the same thing he did against Diego unless the Internet hating gets him to change his gameplan again.

[J-Luck]

I don't get that at all. Why are you referencing the Lytle fight as a standup benchmark for Hughes?

Kos by stall and brawl.

I think Hughes is a more "nice" guy, but Kos could do the same thing he did against Diego unless the Internet hating gets him to change his gameplan again.

Not NECESSARILY, but alot of people though Lyttle would straight knock him out, and of course, Hughes looked pretty good. I think Hughes is a more decent striker than most people give him credit for, hes just fought very talented strikers, making him look worse than he is. If he fought Kos, I think he would have better striking, as I stated.

Who kos by stall and brawl?

Naaa, Hughes would turn it into a grappling match/clinch fight, unlike Diego.

[bigred389]

Who in their right mind thought Lytle would KO Hughes? Lytle was the HUGE underdog going into that fight (kinda funny since that's the UFC PPV that started the string of underdog victories with Couture over Sylvia).

Anyway, Hughes was "striking" for a grand total of ~40-50 seconds in what became a 15 minute fight.
How that is at all a display of "striking" is beyond me...he shot first opportunity he saw, and Lytle just wasn't capable of stopping him.

I'm saying you probably want to pick another fight to talk Hughes standup...but since the last three fights chronicling a year from Hughes have been GSP(big time ass whooping), Penn(another big time ass whooping, until the 3rd, when Penn was injured), and Gracie(Gracie can't strike, and Hughes still didn't knock him out)...I'd say Hughes still has inferior standup to most contenders.

And yeah, Hughes isn't Diego, i think he'd try to make it a grappling match too. Just saying "if" Kos can keep it standing, he'll pull off another WW Tim Sylvia routine.

Edit: He also threw less than 10 punches in that entire 3 round fight.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Hughes would never takedown Koscheck. Hughes speed and timing with his takedowns have been lacking lately. He used to be alot more explosive, but as you get older you just dont have that same speed. His takedowns looked good against LYTLE and his technique is still there.

Koscheck in my opinion, is a much better striker than Hughes. A.K.A. is more stand up oriented and im sure they have better guys to spar with than M.F.S...

Even if Hughes is really a better striker(i seriously doubt it based on what ive seen from his fights) and his jiu jitsu is better(lets see how good he is if Kos puts him on his back), i still think Kos has more tools and would win...

With that said, they will not be fighting. Kos vs GSP is scheduled for UFC 73 or 74.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Naaa, Hughes would turn it into a grappling match/clinch fight.

And get owned really bad.

[bigred389]

Man J-Luck, I don't know what fight you saw but I just rewatched the Lytle fight.

Hughes literally threw ONE punch the entire fight, and one feint jab.

And he shot in right after throwing the punch.

[J-Luck]

Who in their right mind thought Lytle would KO Hughes? Lytle was the HUGE underdog going into that fight (kinda funny since that's the UFC PPV that started the string of underdog victories with Couture over Sylvia).

Anyway, Hughes was "striking" for a grand total of ~40-50 seconds in what became a 15 minute fight.
How that is at all a display of "striking" is beyond me...he shot first opportunity he saw, and Lytle just wasn't capable of stopping him.

I'm saying you probably want to pick another fight to talk Hughes standup...but since the last three fights chronicling a year from Hughes have been GSP(big time ass whooping), Penn(another big time ass whooping, until the 3rd, when Penn was injured), and Gracie(Gracie can't strike, and Hughes still didn't knock him out)...I'd say Hughes still has inferior standup to most contenders.

And yeah, Hughes isn't Diego, i think he'd try to make it a grappling match too. Just saying "if" Kos can keep it standing, he'll pull off another WW Tim Sylvia routine.

Edit: He also threw less than 10 punches in that entire 3 round fight.

Ummm I didnt say it was some grand display, but unlike what you THINK, Hughes was expected to get beaten badly in the standup, regardless of how much standup there was, it didn't happen. Lyttle was the underdog, but was given the striking advantage, in some cases people were saying heavily.

Wrong. Penn was not an "ass whooping". In fact I would use that fight to point out his improvements. Is Hughes ever going to outstrike Penn... probably not... did he do significantly better striking than people though... yes, he did. GSP is just a fuckin monster freak, I don't think many people will ever have the advantage striking with him.
Hughes never intended on knocking him out. He openly claimed that as his game plan, but lets face it, fighters claim one gameplan and follow another quite often. He was supposedly going to "fear" taking down Gracie... ummmm... yea, he looked real scared.

To most contenders, yes. To the average welterweight no. He is half way decent, and improving. That was my only point.

Ehhhh possibly. It really depends on which Koscheck enters the ring. He differs from time to time. It's certainly a plausible scenerio though.

[J-Luck]

And get owned really bad.

Ummm, what planet are you from again? Lol... Have you ever watched the UFC before? It might help to watch it before commenting...

[J-Luck]

Hughes would never takedown Koscheck. Hughes speed and timing with his takedowns have been lacking lately. He used to be alot more explosive, but as you get older you just dont have that same speed. His takedowns looked good against LYTLE and his technique is still there.

Koscheck in my opinion, is a much better striker than Hughes. A.K.A. is more stand up oriented and im sure they have better guys to spar with than M.F.S...

Even if Hughes is really a better striker(i seriously doubt it based on what ive seen from his fights) and his jiu jitsu is better(lets see how good he is if Kos puts him on his back), i still think Kos has more tools and would win...

With that said, they will not be fighting. Kos vs GSP is scheduled for UFC 73 or 74.

I disagree. His takedowns are sharp as can be. In fact they did look decent against St. Pierre too... Pierre is just a fuckin beast and could stuff them.

I can't really disagree with that. But I wouldn't say the gap is particularly great. MFS is a fantastic camp all around.

He's a slightly better striker I said. And Koscheck has not had the competition that Hughes has had. It's all about context and perspective my friend. And on his back, Hughes is a beast with his jiu-jitsu period. No problem on his back if Kos puts him there. He'll sweep em quickly enough. As is Chuck Liddell, though very few people have seen it (my friend supposedly has video, I'm dying to see chuck doin jiu-jitsu, he's supposedly madd good).

Their not fighting yet... but mark my words, Dana will not let that money maker go for too long.