army rangers train in jiu jitsu

[DickHardman]

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhTo7xErnnw[/YOUTUBE]

listen to what the soldiers says about hand to hand combat.

[Tant01]

Your point?

[DickHardman]

i know my posts arent as exciting as matt blakes jacket or jubajis suplex stories but at least i try to contribute something to the forum besides imitating handicapped people and just pointless trolling. if do not like my posts there are plenty of other ones to partake in. matt blakes thread seems to be one of the hottest topics on this forum, maybe that thread is more suited to your taste?

[Tant01]

Hype or so called "real" fighting?

i know my posts arent as exciting as matt blakes jacket or jubajis suplex stories but at least i try to contribute something to the forum besides imitating handicapped people and just pointless trolling. if do not like my posts there are plenty of other ones to partake in. matt blakes thread seems to be one of the hottest topics on this forum, maybe that thread is more suited to your taste?

But what is your point?

Army Rangers train Gracie judo? So....?

What?

I'm not interested in mat bla or Jubashing. Lets get this rolling?

I wonder if D teams roll with the Jiu Jitsu? Navy seals? Marine Recon?

What's your take on the SF so called "combatives"? For me it's just another feather in the hat of that popular brazilian family... And one more advertisment based on Kano's training methods that ignores the REAL father art of BJJ. (JUDO)

[sapatiero]

But what is your point?

Army Rangers train Gracie judo? So....?

What?

I'm not interested in mat bla or Jubashing. Lets get this rolling?

I wonder if D teams roll with the Jiu Jitsu? Navy seals? Marine Recon?

What's your take on the SF so called "combatives"? For me it's just another feather in the hat of that popular brazilian family... And one more advertisment based on Kano's training methods that ignores the REAL father art of BJJ. (JUDO)

...So does this help lend them a bit of credibility? - there's pages of similar quotes, you can check them out yourself at www.gracieacademy.com/testimonials.html - yep, it was originally based on the japanese art, but you can't deny that the efficiiency of the so called "combatives" is being recognised by many military organisations globally.

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[lorenzodamarith]

hello,

boy oh boy is this ever going to get people "hackles" up...

the kind of training these guys are doing is wrong. the only thing is, they don't know it yet.

when training military or police personel, you need to train them for mission specific things. you need to train them for mission specific conditions.

lets be blunt... then those guys are on the job... on patrol... and the enemy jumps them... is everyone gonna yell... "fine, meet us at the gym and we'll roll the mats out and settle this."

sgt blowhard also has a good point about sensei telling you this will break someones neck and a gracie telling you this will break your arm

don't believe someone when they tell you "this will break someones neck".
noone has enough common sense to realize a technique can do that.

however, if a gracie says so, then you must believe him.

sgt blowhard has no idea what he is talking about. this kind of training is little more than a confidence builder.

"but lorenzodamarith, what do you mean mission specific?" so glad you asked!!

you need to train these guys and others in the military for the things they will be doing. sentry neutralization, prisoner handling, ambushing... that sort of thing. unfortunately, a great deal of jiujitsu or mma is not conducive to completing those tasks. also, these guys are soldiers that will encounter the enemy while fully equiped (helmet, pack, flak, boots, etc). they will need more experience operating under these conditions rather than the conditions we saw on the videos.

DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND THE POINT OF THIS POST!!!

nothing against soldiers. however, huge axe to grind with those who fail to train them properly for the jobs they are expected to do. also, never admired the "billy baddass" attitude prevelant in the military. they love talking/acting like they are "grizzled veteran tough guys"... like our own sgt. blowhard on the vid.

the military has been contracting martial artists for years trying to devise the "ultimate killing art". the gracies are just the latest in a long line. everyone wants to cash in on the "i trained commandoes" craze.

well, hopefully it won't get too many killed.

thanks

[lorenzodamarith]

hello,

boy oh boy is this ever going to get people "hackles" up...

the kind of training these guys are doing is wrong. the only thing is, they don't know it yet.

when training military or police personel, you need to train them for mission specific things. you need to train them for mission specific conditions.

lets be blunt... then those guys are on the job... on patrol... and the enemy jumps them... is everyone gonna yell... "fine, meet us at the gym and we'll roll the mats out and settle this."

sgt blowhard also has a good point about sensei telling you this will break someones neck and a gracie telling you this will break your arm

don't believe someone when they tell you "this will break someones neck".
noone has enough common sense to realize a technique can do that.

however, if a gracie says so, then you must believe him.

sgt blowhard has no idea what he is talking about. this kind of training is little more than a confidence builder.

"but lorenzodamarith, what do you mean mission specific?" so glad you asked!!

you need to train these guys and others in the military for the things they will be doing. sentry neutralization, prisoner handling, ambushing... that sort of thing. unfortunately, a great deal of jiujitsu or mma is not conducive to completing those tasks. also, these guys are soldiers that will encounter the enemy while fully equiped (helmet, pack, flak, boots, etc). they will need more experience operating under these conditions rather than the conditions we saw on the videos.

DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND THE POINT OF THIS POST!!!

nothing against soldiers. however, huge axe to grind with those who fail to train them properly for the jobs they are expected to do. also, never admired the "billy baddass" attitude prevelant in the military. they love talking/acting like they are "grizzled veteran tough guys"... like our own sgt. blowhard on the vid.

the military has been contracting martial artists for years trying to devise the "ultimate killing art". the gracies are just the latest in a long line. everyone wants to cash in on the "i trained commandoes" craze.

well, hopefully it won't get too many killed.

thanks

[DickHardman]

hello,

boy oh boy is this ever going to get people "hackles" up...

the kind of training these guys are doing is wrong. the only thing is, they don't know it yet.

when training military or police personel, you need to train them for mission specific things. you need to train them for mission specific conditions.

lets be blunt... then those guys are on the job... on patrol... and the enemy jumps them... is everyone gonna yell... "fine, meet us at the gym and we'll roll the mats out and settle this."

sgt blowhard also has a good point about sensei telling you this will break someones neck and a gracie telling you this will break your arm

don't believe someone when they tell you "this will break someones neck".
noone has enough common sense to realize a technique can do that.

however, if a gracie says so, then you must believe him.

sgt blowhard has no idea what he is talking about. this kind of training is little more than a confidence builder.

"but lorenzodamarith, what do you mean mission specific?" so glad you asked!!

you need to train these guys and others in the military for the things they will be doing. sentry neutralization, prisoner handling, ambushing... that sort of thing. unfortunately, a great deal of jiujitsu or mma is not conducive to completing those tasks. also, these guys are soldiers that will encounter the enemy while fully equiped (helmet, pack, flak, boots, etc). they will need more experience operating under these conditions rather than the conditions we saw on the videos.

DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND THE POINT OF THIS POST!!!

nothing against soldiers. however, huge axe to grind with those who fail to train them properly for the jobs they are expected to do. also, never admired the "billy baddass" attitude prevelant in the military. they love talking/acting like they are "grizzled veteran tough guys"... like our own sgt. blowhard on the vid.

the military has been contracting martial artists for years trying to devise the "ultimate killing art". the gracies are just the latest in a long line. everyone wants to cash in on the "i trained commandoes" craze.

well, hopefully it won't get too many killed.

thanks

uh, im pretty sure they get more training than just basic bjj lol.....

the guy even says they dont use martial arts to win wars, having what it takes to be good at them(discipline, courage, confidence, quick thinking, etc) is what helps us win.


though our military here in the usa is getting robbed of real training because of the urgent and ever growing need for more and more troops in iraq.

[lorenzodamarith]

uh, im pretty sure they get more training than just basic bjj lol.....

the guy even says they dont use martial arts to win wars, having what it takes to be good at them(discipline, courage, confidence, quick thinking, etc) is what helps us win.


though our military here in the usa is getting robbed of real training because of the urgent and ever growing need for more and more troops in iraq.

hello,

well, this just illustrates the earlier point. if you want to win wars, you train for war. getting robbed of real training... this is a characteristic of a military stretched thin. if they are getting shorted in other areas, it is likely they are getting shorted in this way as well.

the bean couters will always muck this aspect of training up, only because it speaks to the larger issue. "we want you to train our commandos to be professional level deadly fighters... in 8 weeks". they don't want to send these guys to long protracted training programs for one reason...

they cannot reconcile this as military training. in this, they are correct. it is not.

kinda feel bad for those guys.

thanks.

[bigred389]

hello,

well, this just illustrates the earlier point. if you want to win wars, you train for war. getting robbed of real training... this is a characteristic of a military stretched thin. if they are getting shorted in other areas, it is likely they are getting shorted in this way as well.

the bean couters will always muck this aspect of training up, only because it speaks to the larger issue. "we want you to train our commandos to be professional level deadly fighters... in 8 weeks". they don't want to send these guys to long protracted training programs for one reason...

they cannot reconcile this as military training. in this, they are correct. it is not.

kinda feel bad for those guys.

thanks.

That makes absolutely no sense...

[bigred389]

But what is your point?

Army Rangers train Gracie judo? So....?

What?

I'm not interested in mat bla or Jubashing. Lets get this rolling?

I wonder if D teams roll with the Jiu Jitsu? Navy seals? Marine Recon?

What's your take on the SF so called "combatives"? For me it's just another feather in the hat of that popular brazilian family... And one more advertisment based on Kano's training methods that ignores the REAL father art of BJJ. (JUDO)

Tant, as a judo guy, I'm sure you're already familiar with this, but I find it interesting that many Japanese police/military have good judo training in their backgrounds.

Hell, Shinya Aoki was a policeman before he went into MMA...and we all know how good he is at turning people into human pretzels.

[sapatiero]

lets be blunt... then those guys are on the job... on patrol... and the enemy jumps them... is everyone gonna yell... "fine, meet us at the gym and we'll roll the mats out and settle this."
...
well, hopefully it won't get too many killed.

Have you done Gracie Jiu Jitsu, or the sportive/tournament stuff that many BJJ clubs focus on? They're very different.

I completely agree with you about the unarmed stuff being only one facet of the training. None of the techniques will outrun a bullet, or disable a grenade, but the instructors recognise that, and that's not what's being taught.

But surely that long list of Special Forces guys, Marines and Seals are much better qualified to comment on this than either of us?

[Tant01]

Paint it any old color buddy...

Tant, as a judo guy, I'm sure you're already familiar with this, but I find it interesting that many Japanese police/military have good judo training in their backgrounds.

Hell, Shinya Aoki was a policeman before he went into MMA...and we all know how good he is at turning people into human pretzels.

I don't think I have seen "Tobikan Judan" fight but I'd like to. People tend to think I have something against GJJ/BJJ and I do. It's not the style itself or the revisionist history behind it. I see Judo and BJJ as the same art with different rules for randori. People have absorbed Brazilian style judo newaza, adopted every new name for a twisted arm lock or strangulation or leg lock.

It's all Judo to me.

About three months into my very first Judo lessons I asked Sensei Mitchel "What now?" I mean after you throw some guy to the deck, then what? That "real fighting" might not stop there but turn into the wrestling match...

"Choke him out... like this." Hadaka Jime and it's variations, the lapel chokes.. THE GRIPS themselves, leg chokes like the sankakujime-sankakugatame.. (Your "triangle choke") Say "JUDO"

The cross armlock is like the strongest judo lock ever. You use your whole body against one limb. Both arms and both legs and your whole core against what? THE ELBOW??? Not because Helio invented it or somehow "improved" the arm bar....??? It's the same stuff. Say it with me... JU-DO LOL

If I steal your car and paint it another color is it still your car?

Yes, that would be wrong, wouldn't it?

[DickHardman]

tanto, we all already know that bjj is nothing more than judo newaza. this revelation isnt anything new bro, and most serious martial artists already know this.

[Tant01]

Quote worthy.

tanto, we all already know that bjj is nothing more than judo newaza. this revelation isnt anything new bro, and most serious martial artists already know this.

Don't say that too loud around here. You might be surprised...