Why BJJ players are portrayed as thugs by Judokas

[blown383]

I came back from my first Judo tournament today and now I understand why BJJ guys are portrayed as being cocky and completely brutal. There was a guy there with cauliflower ear, a chipped tooth, and BJJ patches all over his gi, and get this.... he was wearing a white belt! I was like OMG there is no way in hell he is a white belt in Judo or BJJ. That guy and his friends looked like thugs and were very rude and loud. The dude with the chipped tooth was put into my weight class and I knew he was going to slaughter every one in my weight division, luckily none of the refs there believed he was a white belt and they moved him in a higher weight division to try and even things out. He took on a 230 pound Judo black belt in the air and literally slammed him on his @ss. I had to fight one of his friends and he was jumping around like a monkey on speed, he was trying to pump himself up and like hitting himself and crap. I stood there and waited calmly and the guy did no throws and tried to take me down via a single or double leg...which was very poorly executed. (Oh yeah mind you that I only have about 10 weeks of Judo and about a year and a half of BJJ and I personally think I suck) I dropped him into my gaurd and worked my chokes, he really couldn't do much to pass my guard but I got a choke in and he started to turn purple; and do you know what that bastard did since he couldn't defend the choke? HE BIT ME!!!!!!!!!
I couldn't believe it! I yelled "Why the kcuF did you bite me?!?!?!" and do you know what he answered? He said "What else am I suppose to do? You stuck your hand in my mouth" I was like WTF?!?!? The ref stopped the match and I was pissed! I had teeth marks embedded in my left wrist! They stood us up and I was ready to tear his arm off though I was not allowed to do armlocks in my division. The ref then disqualified him from the entire tournament. Damn...what an awful experience. Now I know why Judokas think BJJ players are brutal.... people like that give legitimate BJJ players a bad name.

[Groin Grab]

That sucks. What a bunch of idiots. What's the point in throwing on a white belt to beat a bunch of other white belts. That guy that bit you what an ass hole.

[Karlinhos]

hook, line and sinker...

[John Bennett]

No Karlinhos, I believe blown383 is legit. If you look at his profile you can see his posting history. On several occasions he's told who his BJJ instructor is and other stuff. He's no troll.

I believe him. I read a lot of MA forums and I see quite a few posts about rude & obnoxious BJJ guys. Assuming that 70% of these accounts are fictitious and exaggerated, the other 30% do give BJJ a bad name.

I've suffered anti-BJJ discrimination just like most people here. But if I were a judoka, I wouldn't want clowns like the one described above anywhere near my tournaments.

I'm sure we've all met the "Ninja" who took a few classes at some fly-by-night ninjutsu school and now considers himself an expert badass. BJJ has the same thing ...losers who took a few classes or watched some videos and then jump on the BJJ bandwagon as "badasses by association".

I sometimes ride my Kawasaki KLR 650 to Harley motorcycle rallies (toy runs, chili cook-offs, etc.). I have never gotten any attitude from Harley riders. I have had many problems with the jerks walking around wearing the Harley T-shirt & Harley ball-cap who showed up in their pick-up truck and don't even own a damn motorcycle.

There are BJJ guys like that.

[Karlinhos]

johnny, VERY perceptive of you... that was my point, exactly!

i agree with you completely that there are major A-holes in the world of bjj. and i also recognize blown's nic and remember his past posts being legit.

i have the following probs with the whole thing:

1) the initial post - he requested tips on judo rules and managed to work in the whole "bjj/judo problem" angle, and then posts his tournament experience... and it just happens to coincide. how coincidental. what are the odds?

2) the tournament - he takes on his opponent, sinks in a choke and the guy STILL manages to bite him??? i'm sorry, but i don't know of any collar chokes, when suck deep and effectively enough to turn a guy purple, where the guy can still bite you like that... or would even make the effort to!. i mean, usually you can see something like that coming from a mile away, and then adjust to avoid being bitten. maybe i'm just assuming that he's versed well enough in bjj to make these types of adjustments.

now, once again, i totally and completely agree that there are some real jerks in the world of bjj, but then again, there are jerks in EVERY group. to base the behavior of a total group on a few bad apples is not the brightest approach, but i recognize it happens and it's unfortunate.

johnny, it was just my first thought... and quite frankly i had to laugh while i was reading it, and i even cheered when the "bad guys" were kicked out! (hehe) it reminded me, kind of, of the "karate kid". stereotypical "bad" bjj guys storming in on a "friendly" judo tournament. LOL. (sorry)

eh, i may be wrong.

[judo guy]

Hmmm, this post caught my interest. I think the post is false.

1) I looked up blown383's prior posts and he is supposedly from Southern California. He mentioned his friends from Pasadena.

2) Judo tournaments in Southern California are held on Sunday, not Saturday.

3) There were no judo tournaments scheduled this week in Southern California. The odds are slight that any judo tournaments were scheduled anywhere because High School Nationals were this weekend.

4) Judo has rules prohibiting wearing of gi's with patches such as described in the story.

5) He says the competitor wore a white belt, and they moved him up in weight. But somehow he then ends up fighting a 230 pound black belt. No white belt could fight in a blackbelt division without a waiver signed by a judoka who is of blackbelt rank.

6) Jumping into the guard and then trying to play for submission ain't gonna be allowed in a judo tournament. They would have been stood up prior to the alleged biting incident.

I will admit I love the story. It has the makings of a very clever urban legend. Job well done blown383.

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

Originally posted by blown383
There was a guy there with cauliflower ear, a chipped tooth, and BJJ patches all over his gi

LOL someone has been looking at Wallid's picture too often!

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

Judo guy, nice post! Your expertise in Judo has been very useful in the verification of the authenticity of his little story!

[blown383]

Oh boy...okay let me do a little explaining, this is no urban legend. I have studied BJJ under John Ramierz a 4th degree purple belt under Rodrigo Medieros http://www.ouano.com/losangelesbjj/ my friends who train with John also train at The Submission Factory http://www.submissionfactory.com. The judo tournament that I went to was held at Goltz Judo club in Clairmont. http://www.goltzjudo.com Dr. Z (spelling?) a 9th dan was present. The tournament was listed on Southern California Black Belt Association's website http://www.usajudo.com/ My Judo Sensei is Stephen Gonzalez who is a 3rd dan in judo, he teaches athletics and judo at Cal State Los Angeles and I took his Judo class there. The guy with the chipped tooth had pathes all over the bottom half of his gi and he was allowed to compete, I do not know the specifics of why he was allowed to compete despite not having a competition legal gi. There was another guy there that didn't even have the bottom half of his gi....so he wore grey sweats. I was going to borrow my friend's gi just in case my Ouan gi was not legal. I was afraid that the Ouano emblems on the shoulders, pants and the tighter cut of the BJJ gi would disquailify me but noone said anything. I know that you are not allowed to have emblems or patches on your pants or tops. The guy with the chipped tooth said he was from Ontario and had "Tap Out" pathces on his pants. As for myself jumping into the gaurd...he shot in and I sprawled, and eventually got into the gaurd. I did not jump into it and bring him down to the ground...I acutally tired to throw! Like I mentioned in the first post they always stood me up before I could do anything on the ground. As for the choke I had reached deep into his left lapel and pulled across, I had enough leverage so that he started to turn "purple", the guy was caucasain and turns pink easily when under pressure, I couldn't reach across to the right lapel so I reached behind his head with my right arm to grab my own sleeve but by that time he had turned his head away and trying to tuck it under my arm... while I was trying to work the choke he bit me and I yelled. Why would I see a bite comming from a mile away? Since I suck I worry about getting submitted while I have someone in my gaurd so why would I "see" a bite comming from a mile away? No stories here guys. I wish it was a "troll" post but it wasn't. There was at least 100 people that can verify what happened. Any more questions?

[SweepEm]

I am curious about the "typical" training in Judo.

When you first start out in Judo , I am told that for many weeks to months, all you are doing is learning how to fall.
Similar to the classical approach at Torrance, where they spoon feed you GJJ.
I've been to schools where white belts are learning De La Riva guards and helicopter take downs in their first few monjths.

Yeah, I know it varies from school to school but am wondering since there are many dudes here that have trained in both Judo and BJJ, what the similarities and differences are.

[blown383]

At Cal State Los Angeles we run on a quarter system hence...10 weeks of my Kodokan Judo training. The class was held twice a week. During the first 2 weeks Sensei Gonzalez taught us how to fall. Front, back, side (left & right) falls, were we not allowed to do anything excpet fall and learning to exhale upon impact. During the next 3 weeks he taught us a bunch of differnet pins- kesa-gatame, kata-gatame, yoko-shio-gatame, tate- shiho-gatame, kami-shiho-gatame, and tate-shiho-gatame. He then showed us 10 differnet throws and 4 strangles. All of these techniques in 10 weeks...sorta fast for some but it was at an acceptable pace. It wasn't till the 10th week did he allow us to sparr, however he did let us sparr on the ground in the middle of the quarter (new-waza). The funny thing was that the advance belts in judo had very limited knowledge of ground work, I have only a year and a half of BJJ, but while rolling around with some of the students there I felt as if I was playing with children. I had total control and knew where they were going to move, what, and when they were going to try something. They don't study the escapes and positions of BJJ. I manage to submit everyone in the class except for one brown belt who has competed for years. But it would take that brown belt a good 10-15 mintues to tire me down and I would do somethig stupid, and he would either get a choke or an arm barr. But I would always give him a run for his money. A crappy white belt in BJJ gave a third degree Sankyu a hard time. Oh well.....

[judo guy]

blown383,

I liked the story better when I thought it was made up!

Ok, the tournament looks like it was just a little club tournament that Gary was putting on. The Yudanshakai that is in Southern California is Nanka. The website is www.nanka.org If you look at the schedule you will see that the tournament wasn't listed.

Since it was Gary's own little tournament, he can have any rules he wants, so the gi's and sweatpants are ok.

At sanctioned judo tournaments, those gis would not be permissible and the other rules would apply as well.

Bummer about the bite. What can I say? I agree with Karl. There are jerks in all walks of life. They are not the exclusive dominion of BJJ.

Sweep,

At most clubs that I've been to, the student is taught how to fall and maybe one throw on the first lesson. It's not too hard to learn how to fall.

Judo is alot of repetition. Doing the same thing over and over and over.

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

Gee, I liked it alot better when it was made up....you have to admit though, when you hear cauliflower ear and BJJ the name that automatically comes to mind is Wallid

[SweepEm]

Valligi does have the ugliest ears I have ever seen.

When you see him in person, the first thing that might come to mind is that you expected him to be bigger or taller............

[Karlinhos]

i agree with sweep... valiji is a figit with jacked ears... but i still wouldn't mess with him. (lol)