is really the best????!!!!

[IronMaiden]

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Bushido you should read better what I said.I didn't say that aikido would beat any kung fu, I said that O-Sensei would kick everyone' ass.Probably not using aikido but using ju jutsu and sumo.And some harder styles of aikido(Yoseikan,Yoshinkan,Iwama-ryu,Tomiki,...) are very effective.The Ki-aikido or Aikikai maybe(probably) isn't effective .

[WLStod]

Aikido

Those of you who are denigrating aikido are most likely uneducated about the several styles of aikido. Making comments about "aikido" without specifying which style of aikido demonstrates a lack of knowledge akin to assuming all jiu jitsu is the same. Aikido and BJJ share the same heritage: Japanese jiu jitsu.

Anyone interested in an effective style of aikido should look into Tomiki style aikido. Mr. Tomiki studied aikido with Ueshiba before Ueshiba added a lot of the religious and spiritual aspects to aikido. Therefore, Tomiki aikido is more attuned to the original daito-ryu aikijiujitsu.

There is something to be gained from any art. Some have more to offer than others. -Removed offensive part-

[IronMaiden]

aikido

Well, I'm under thirty and I agree with you!

[Bushido]

Some misunderstanding here. By the way, I'm 30, I hope I'm mature enough to discuss with you guys.

I did NOT trash-talk about aikido, I just explain, my observations after nearly 20 years of martial practice. I did not said it is a stupid martial art or anything, I just said it works under very precise situation. I have practiced Aikibudo, wich is a hard style of aikido. Just in case someone bash me on that, it is the precursor of aikido. Here goes my ignorance.

Having a fighting karate (17 years) and an jiujitsu (5 years)background is much different from having an aikido-aikibudo-aikijujutsu background. No offence, but the perception of reality is not quite the same. In aikibudo, we were doing kote-gaeshi versus a rear hand punch (cross)! Come on, that is impossible because aikido guys punches in ways to get the technique works! Does it work against a boxer's punch? Dont think so. The aikido guys attacks are unrealistic, they "participate" to the technique instead of countering, of opposing to it. On the street, (self-defence is apart of every ma) nobody attack like that, they punch wildly, they grab and takedown and they bash your face! Not much wrist grab and so. So after seing all that, I left my aikibudo lessons a few weeks later.

Aikido is still a great and fun to practice and I deeply respect it but i think that it is bad to fool children, women and men to tell them that they will learn to defend themself effectively with it. Were "playing" with the life of people here, got to put all the chances on your side. If you enjoy your aikido practice, good, keep doing it can only be positive in your life.

Remember this, some martial preserve tradition, some other preserve life.

And about me being insecure about myself, my abilities or my style, dont make me laugh...

Peace!

-Bushido

[Maxximus]

Oh pleez stop crying...

No one is saying that aikido is stupid or anything. If you enjoy practicing the art of aikido, then more power to you. To each their own. People are simply making intelligent and knowledgeable observations about aikido's combat effectiveness. These are open minded people who are simply expressing a conclusion they've come to after years of experience in different arts and much time spent on full contact realistic training. Just because you are not comfortable with the views being expressed doesn't make them immature. I'm not saying that aikido has no value, but it is simply my view that from what I've seen, for realistic functional fighting skills aikido training just doesn't rank very high up there. That is NOT to say that it isn't a beautiful artform, or that it doesn't have any relevance to real fighting at all. Personally, I find it immature when people automatically regard viewpoints different from their own as "childish" or "uneducated" or "insecure". Whatever, I'm sorry we're not all as enlightened and mature as you

[Bushido]

At last!

At last someone understand my words! Thanks man!

-Bushido

[bobby_steeles]

well it's obvious this guy has a big head...he's from TEXAS.


-aikido sucks.

[IronMaiden]

aikido

I liked your two posts Bushido and Maxximus,although I think that aikido would (sometimes) be practical to use.As for Mr.Steeles here it seems that he hasn't got anything inteligent to say.

[Jerik]

blah...blah...blah....

You guys miss a thing, saying "BJJ is more Street effective", "Aikido is only working with a willing partner"....

Thats the point, it jumps around in front of you and you dont see it.

For example: Say you train BJJ, you train all the "realistic" situations..... you fool yourself, because you THINK you will defend your self succsesfull, you go in a streetfight with a winning mind, thinking you have practiced that all, and you will end up bad because the punk beats you down in a way you never trained it.

example 2.: Say you train Aikido, you see you are training with "willing oppenents" so you know that you have to train with a partner for some real situations. "Do it yourself is doing it better" and you will go in a streetfight with a more carefull and concentrate mind, plus you train your Spirit in Aikido more than in BJJ, Plus you got a very good chaos-training (train vs. multiple attackers), so you will end up better IN MY OPPINION.

Its just logical, think about it, BJJs THINK they are so cool and big, and they got the best MA, if you enter a Dojo with such an mind you cannot reach much, because you think you are good just from the beginning.

Aikidokas train much more time before they are good in self-defence, thats not because they need longer, NO thats why TECHNIQUE is something you learn very long because you have to use it without thinking. Remember a street situation, my last confrontation with some really ugly guys end up peacfully, a friend pulled me back, but i stayed right in front of this guy, (im an TaeKwonDo) novice, but i really diddnt knew if i hit him , or if i just left him, in fact my mind turned into questions, and was really troubled (like everyone goes in a strange situation) You can train the realistic situation a hundred times, but a REAL situation is diffrent because your mind knows the danger which you DON`T got in your training.

So what training is realistic?, ill tell you, NONE

And thats why i think BJJ trainees are more "fooled" than Aikidokas.

Aikidokas know that they have to train better for a real situation.
BJJs think they are trained for a real situation, which let them stay very dangerous in a REAL situation.

[kdjudo]

A good all round art is Shidokan karate. It is bare knuckle (knockdown karate),muay thai and grappling with submission. If you can take and give the punishment involved in bare knuckle knockdown sparring I don't think you will question it's effectiveness. There is a lot of pad and heavy bag work. I lot of knee, elbow and low kick work. It also involves knockdown bare knuckle sparring, muay thai sparring and rolling! There is very, very little kyokushin kata.

[Arrgh]

My style is the best in street combat. It's callled "Supreme Ultimate... Oh sh*t, let's get outta' here."

[mushinmaster]

Nemo:

Go to the best instructor. The name of the art or its reputation won't matter if the instructor is incompitent and not open to modern ideas.

Carefully research the schools and teachers in your area before you sign up with one. One-on-one lessons can be the most beneficial, but also costly.

The best school I've ever gone to was run by a man who didn't care about money - he'd do whatever he wanted without fear of being sued or any of that crap. The tuition is lower, by about $30, than any other school in the area, but the instruction there is priceless. The best school isn't always the best advertised or the most frequently attended. This place has, counting sensei and myself, five regular practitioners. Nobody else would stick around, because the classes are tough!

Streetfights? You want to be able to strike. BJJ is great for one-on-one, but if you're fighting more than one, where is leg-lock on the ground going to get you when his buddy is beating you over the head with a beer bottle? You do also want to have a background in all aspects of combat - striking, trapping, grappling - everything 'cuz anything can happen.

Train in a school for at least six months, then go learn something else. You will be able to formulate your own training style from this and use what you feel should be your base martial art. Circulate among the schools that you feel have the most to offer, but most importantly develop your own strategies and train on your own - with a partner is preferable.

Read books on everything about fighting - even if its the secret Chinese art of breaking your opponents nose with chopsticks and rice! Then decide if you like it, keep it, or if its nonsense, and trash it. Debate your thoughts with other warriors, especially the ones who have been there and done that - there's no substitute for real experience.

Best of luck!

[mushinmaster]

The best advice in this thread:

controllerzero: you should take up running!

Arrgh: My style is the best in street combat. It's callled "Supreme

Ultimate... Oh sh*t, let's get outta' here."

[edro]

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[JaredExtreme]

Hehe, that's a great story edro. But, Aikido DOES have 2 qualities.

1. Wristlocks. Even though I am a macho 'Extreme' BJJ'er, I must admit they r0x0r!


2.Chicks. You were indeed right. Lots of impressionable young women take Aikido because it's the 'non-violent' martial art. If the introductory Judo lessons are boring, guess what martial art i'm taking next!