Whats JKD to MMA

[NaSZ]

We all know ( I think ) what JKD (Jeet Kune Do) is.
Its about what Bruce Lee thought would be a winner for the streets.
Its about Wing Chun (trapping), Boxing and Fencing, all from a Right stance as the Base.
And offcourse grappling technics are added in...Its all about mixing arts and having no real style. But thats what MMA is for me also.

But what do you really think as MMAers. Does JKD really works?
Is it an advantage if you fight from a right stance (right side infront) or does the right side has to be in the back for more power?

What do you think about trapping, does this work? or is it useless.

Ive asked the same question in the past in another JKDforum and they tried to tell me that JKD is for the streets and no sport. That JKD is about poking somebodies eye out or kicks to the groin or knee...but is this true? I mean all styles and MMA could poke somebodies eye out or kick to the groin instead of the thigh in a real street fight??

Im confused...Who's fooling who?

[shuyun]

We all know ( I think ) what JKD (Jeet Kune Do) is.
Its about what Bruce Lee thought would be a winner for the streets.
Its about Wing Chun (trapping), Boxing and Fencing, all from a Right stance as the Base.
And offcourse grappling technics are added in...Its all about mixing arts and having no real style. But thats what MMA is for me also.

But what do you really think as MMAers. Does JKD really works?
Is it an advantage if you fight from a right stance (right side infront) or does the right side has to be in the back for more power?

What do you think about trapping, does this work? or is it useless.

Ive asked the same question in the past in another JKDforum and they tried to tell me that JKD is for the streets and no sport. That JKD is about poking somebodies eye out or kicks to the groin or knee...but is this true? I mean all styles and MMA could poke somebodies eye out or kick to the groin instead of the thigh in a real street fight??

Im confused...Who's fooling who?

not really right stance but powerside forward (it's left if you're left handed). The reason is more mobility and maneuverability of your dominant side so it's faster for interception. JKD is not about dirty tricks and that's it. It's being able to adapt to what's necessary what's required. If you must poke, poke if you must bite bite but nothing is preset.

[NaSZ]

not really right stance but powerside forward (it's left if you're left handed). The reason is more mobility and maneuverability of your dominant side so it's faster for interception. JKD is not about dirty tricks and that's it. It's being able to adapt to what's necessary what's required. If you must poke, poke if you must bite bite but nothing is preset.

Yes thats right! I know that about the powerside..but is it realistic, cuz why do allmost every art including MMA got the Powerside behind??
Also nothing is preset thats logical..I mean thats the purpose for every art, isnt it? I mean if you see his defeance low, blast him on his nose and not in his stomach, but thats whats all arts about...??

And what do you think about trapping..Can this work??

[Guest]

To be honest, I don’t really understand the context of the original question.

JKD does what JKD does (which is not really reflected by your definition) and MMA does what MMA does. I’m not aware of anyone saying that one is supposed to be closely related to, interdependent on, or in competition with the other.

Its also a moot point to talk about either of them being the definition of mixing martial arts, which has been going on for Centuries. The Greeks, the Thais, The Filipinos, the Japanese, the Chinese have all been crosstraining and experimenting for hundreds of years. Most martial arts systems have come about via a process of experimentation and refinement.

Overall I think you will find an MMA audience largely disinterested in the theories or claims of other arts. The great thing about Combat Athletics is that people just get in the ring, on the mat or in the cage and the only thing that matters is their performance and their enjoyment of the training. Everything outside of that is usually of little interest to them.

From someone who is both a JKD and a Combat Athletics person, I have found that most MMA people couldn't care a less about JKD, they just want to glove up and see what you've got. And that's precisely the reason why I enjoy training with them so much.

[NaSZ]

To be honest, I don’t really understand the context of the original question.

JKD does what JKD does (which is not really reflected by your definition) and MMA does what MMA does. I’m not aware of anyone saying that one is supposed to be closely related to, interdependent on, or in competition with the other.

Its also a moot point to talk about either of them being the definition of mixing martial arts, which has been going on for Centuries. The Greeks, the Thais, The Filipinos, the Japanese, the Chinese have all been crosstraining and experimenting for hundreds of years. Most martial arts systems have come about via a process of experimentation and refinement.

Overall I think you will find an MMA audience largely disinterested in the theories or claims of other arts. The great thing about Combat Athletics is that people just get in the ring, on the mat or in the cage and the only thing that matters is their performance and their enjoyment of the training. Everything outside of that is usually of little interest to them.

From someone who is both a JKD and a Combat Athletics person, I have found that most MMA people couldn't care a less about JKD, they just want to glove up and see what you've got. And that's precisely the reason why I enjoy training with them so much.

Hmmm maybe im not asking my question THE right way. Well i train Jkd and Jkd see some things other than what i used to..Like THE powerside in Front instead of the back. Jkd says this is an advantage, so my question to Mmaers is. Is it really usefull to learn to fight like this..? And what do you think of trapping? Is it something that works or is it à waste of time? Offcourse all ancient Arts try to adapt and make their thing à winner. But still there is à difference to à karatepunch oraa Westernboxing punch or à kungfu kick or à thaikick. So am i wasting my time with THE powerside infront as the base of my fighting?? I like to discuss this so i can make à desicion in my training.

[shuyun]

Yes thats right! I know that about the powerside..but is it realistic, cuz why do allmost every art including MMA got the Powerside behind??
Also nothing is preset thats logical..I mean thats the purpose for every art, isnt it? I mean if you see his defeance low, blast him on his nose and not in his stomach, but thats whats all arts about...??

And what do you think about trapping..Can this work??

powerside forward is used mostly by weapon based arts fencing and many FMA styles the weaker hand (known as the alive hand) is for support (espada y daga styles) Bruce borrowed the concept from fencing if I'm not mistaken

Why do the others have the powerside at the back? Like boxing for example because of the anticipation of long rounds, feeling in the first rounds getting distance you use the jab for example to measure distance and stuff reserving your power for the knock out. setup with the weak hand then power on through with the stronger hand.

But for reality based combat where there are no rounds, and your life is on the line, there is no time for felling around for distance and timing and stuff. You get on straight to business and thus your powerside is faster and more coordinated.

Had a really irritating fag feel me up as I passed in front of him on a bus ride. My powerside (my left) whipped out and smacked him on the nose. No setup just made him regret violating my space. It's your powerside that delivers sucker punches, again no set up. By instinct it is the easiest to bring to play.

[NaSZ]

powerside forward is used mostly by weapon based arts fencing and many FMA styles the weaker hand (known as the alive hand) is for support (espada y daga styles) Bruce borrowed the concept from fencing if I'm not mistaken

Why do the others have the powerside at the back? Like boxing for example because of the anticipation of long rounds, feeling in the first rounds getting distance you use the jab for example to measure distance and stuff reserving your power for the knock out. setup with the weak hand then power on through with the stronger hand.

But for reality based combat where there are no rounds, and your life is on the line, there is no time for felling around for distance and timing and stuff. You get on straight to business and thus your powerside is faster and more coordinated.

Had a really irritating fag feel me up as I passed in front of him on a bus ride. My powerside (my left) whipped out and smacked him on the nose. No setup just made him regret violating my space. It's your powerside that delivers sucker punches, again no set up. By instinct it is the easiest to bring to play.

Thanks for your post!! So you also believe in THE powerside infront. What do other feel here on this forum?

[Wi-Stickboxer]

Strong side forward

It's more about YOU than the style. If you find that strong side forward works best for you,then you have access to many of Bruce Lee's original principles. However,you can make these same principles work off of either lead. In a fight,stuff like stances,goes right out the window. Choice of leads in bare handed fighting isn't as "black or white" as you'd think. Both the western boxer and the Jun Fan fighter are doing the same thing,trying to set up their power hand. Up here,high school wrestling is the dominant martial art. Most wrestlers put their dominant side forward on the mat. Most boxing coaches would switch them around,I prefer to work with what they already have. When push comes to shove they're gonna wrestle. Why not build on whats already there? If someone had a boxing background,I would leave them the way they are,and build on that. Their hands are already "alive",so why change what already works? The truth in combat is different for each individual,what worked for the founder of a style may not work for you. I do my stand up in a strong side lead,yes,but that's a personal choice. What works for me may not work for you. What's important is that you learn and grow.

[Guest]

Like THE powerside in Front instead of the back. Jkd says this is an advantage, so my question to Mmaers is. Is it really usefull to learn to fight like this..? am i wasting my time with THE powerside infront as the base of my fighting??

I trained out of a right lead for years, and I liked the efficiency, economy of motion and power it offers when throwing your core lead hand tools. The powerside forward approach is good to have as part of your overall game, however I don't think this (or anything else) should BE your game.

The Bai Jong or "On Guard" position and the linear footwork (Push Shuffle, Pendulum etc) is all taken from Western Fencing. Its a concept that Bruce Lee found really suited him personally, as his game in sparring was predominently to fence his opponents. It worked very well for him.

However, for the average person to base their whole game around it can be a mistake. It makes you very over reliant on a small number of tools, and a deliberate strategy that becomes easy for your opponent to see quite quickly. If that is your whole game, what happens if you're not very good at it? What happens if your opponent is used to fighting southpaws? What happens if he is a good fencer too? Where do you go?

Martial arts has come a long way in the last 40 years, people are far more rounded as fighters. The way I train and teach is that you need to be able to hit with power, speed and timing on both sides, from both leads, and be able to switch at will. As WiStickboxer said, in most fights the notion of stance or lead goes out of the window - you just move and hit.

[shuyun]

indeed,

more than anything else that is what defines JKD, fromlessness. nothing is set in stone. what works best for you, deconstructing even "JKD" principles, there are no rules to define it even JKD itself.

In the end if you hit him and hit him hard enough and it takes him down what ever you're doing you're doing it right.

[NaSZ]

It's more about YOU than the style. If you find that strong side forward works best for you,then you have access to many of Bruce Lee's original principles. However,you can make these same principles work off of either lead. In a fight,stuff like stances,goes right out the window. Choice of leads in bare handed fighting isn't as "black or white" as you'd think. Both the western boxer and the Jun Fan fighter are doing the same thing,trying to set up their power hand. Up here,high school wrestling is the dominant martial art. Most wrestlers put their dominant side forward on the mat. Most boxing coaches would switch them around,I prefer to work with what they already have. When push comes to shove they're gonna wrestle. Why not build on whats already there? If someone had a boxing background,I would leave them the way they are,and build on that. Their hands are already "alive",so why change what already works? The truth in combat is different for each individual,what worked for the founder of a style may not work for you. I do my stand up in a strong side lead,yes,but that's a personal choice. What works for me may not work for you. What's important is that you learn and grow.

Excellent, Thank you very much!! It makes things clear for me...Cuz training JKD doing almost everything with the powerside infront makes it a Style! And like you say, I must work both sides equally to grow. There is no Stance..Right is Left and Left is Right..
Its not like this is new for me...but sometimes I feel as Im stuburn when I think like this..well Im not the only one.

Thanks man!

[NaSZ]

I trained out of a right lead for years, and I liked the efficiency, economy of motion and power it offers when throwing your core lead hand tools. The powerside forward approach is good to have as part of your overall game, however I don't think this (or anything else) should BE your game.

The Bai Jong or "On Guard" position and the linear footwork (Push Shuffle, Pendulum etc) is all taken from Western Fencing. Its a concept that Bruce Lee found really suited him personally, as his game in sparring was predominently to fence his opponents. It worked very well for him.

However, for the average person to base their whole game around it can be a mistake. It makes you very over reliant on a small number of tools, and a deliberate strategy that becomes easy for your opponent to see quite quickly. If that is your whole game, what happens if you're not very good at it? What happens if your opponent is used to fighting southpaws? What happens if he is a good fencer too? Where do you go?

Martial arts has come a long way in the last 40 years, people are far more rounded as fighters. The way I train and teach is that you need to be able to hit with power, speed and timing on both sides, from both leads, and be able to switch at will. As WiStickboxer said, in most fights the notion of stance or lead goes out of the window - you just move and hit.

Thanks Mike! This will make me train my own game from now on.
I think training almost everything with the powerside infront will make me weak at the end. Cuz I train 4 times a week at the moment and I feel my Left isnt as strong or accurate as it should be.
Maybe I got a wrong school.

I thought of doing MMA, Cuz I thought it was about the powerside infront..but at the end its the way you train!!

[Wi-Stickboxer]

Thanks Mike! This will make me train my own game from now on.
I think training almost everything with the powerside infront will make me weak at the end. Cuz I train 4 times a week at the moment and I feel my Left isnt as strong or accurate as it should be.
Maybe I got a wrong school.

I thought of doing MMA, Cuz I thought it was about the powerside infront..but at the end its the way you train!!

Train mixed leads on your own,if you like your school. JKD is about self-discovery,don't expect your school to hand you everything on a silver platter!
Dan Inosanto said: research,experiment,create...

Go have fun!

[NaSZ]

Train mixed leads on your own,if you like your school. JKD is about self-discovery,don't expect your school to hand you everything on a silver platter!
Dan Inosanto said: research,experiment,create...

Go have fun!

Yes offcourse..Thanks!