Discussion of posted technique - Thai Clinch to Hip Throw

[Water Dragon]

One more thing...

Great idea to use a Thai clinch to set up the throw. I never would've thought of that.

[JaredExtreme]

YIKES

Dood, deidre or goddess or whatever is HOT. do you have a boyfriend?

[hounddog]

Those photos have been airbrushed.

[dan downard]

Poor Goddess.Her beauty is a curse.She cant even put up a technique without getting hit on.
I dont mean you would get a rear naked instantly. Just that the left arm can wrap the neck ,throw in the hook to stop the throw.Then you are in position for it.You will have to free your right arm,but position is there.Especially if you get to the ground.


Goddess,what has Tim taught you as a counter for that move?
Can you post that tech too?Thanks.

[duchman]

Re: One more thing...

Originally posted by Water Dragon
Great idea to use a Thai clinch to set up the throw. I never would've thought of that.

not to take anything from tim away, but throwing from the thai clinch has bin done for ages, bu the reason you won't see it much at today's thai fight's because it is not alowed in a lot of union's

[duchman]

Originally posted by dan downard

I dont mean you would get a rear naked instantly. Just that the left arm can wrap the neck ,throw in the hook to stop the throw.Then you are in position for it.You will have to free your right arm,but position is there.Especially if you get to the ground.

well dan, you can counter every move if where going to talk like that.
but i highly suggest a strike to soffen him as you spin in to throw

[sabrutat]

Thanks for the great info Tim. I'll try to stop by sometime next week.

Cheers

Stef

[Goddess]

Cool!

I think it's great everyone is offering useful opinions. It makes us all view the technique from anothers perspective.

We filmed about 5 or so techniques that day, and hope to have others up over the weekend.

BTW - If my complexion looks so flawless as to be acuused of being airbrushed, I have only the photographic skills of Tim to thank.

[Karlinhos]

awwwwwwwwww... i feel a song coming on...

i'm in the mood for love...
simply because you're near me...

[SweepEm]

One counter I was taught for this hip throw is when your opponent has you on their back, you hook their hip with your inside leg.
If you're getting set up like the pictures, you would use your left leg to hook your opponent's left hip.

[Water Dragon]

Another counter, from picture 3, is to take his left hand (which appears to be free) and just push on her butt. It stops her from getting a good fulcrum.

[Tim Mousel]

Thanks for all the input!

Some counters for the headlock throw I like to use are:
1. On pic 3 I would attempt to duck underneath her right arm and take her back.
2. Between pic 2 and 3 I would try to jam my hip forward and lift my head.
3. Between pic 2 and 3 I would try to block her hip/lower back with my left hand.
4. As pic 3 is being applied I might try to step "around the corner" by moving to my right. This steps objective is to not allow the hip to get into place.
5. Between pic 4 and 5 I might try to accelerate the roll and pull her over the top of me as I hit the ground.

I'm not necessarily fond of turning my back on someone even for a throw. There is definitely potential to be countered. However, even the most perfectly executed punch, kick, choke, armbar, etc can be countered. Every technique has characteristics that allow counterattacks from your opponent. The question then becomes how much of a risk is it? I don't think a headlock throw is a huge risk when applied properly with the correct timing. It can work. I've used it before and I've seen plenty of others using it.

In my opinion, Goddess has her hip correctly placed and she is low enough. If it wasn't correct she wouldn't be able to throw a guy effortlessly that is much heavier than she is.

We'll be putting up more techniques so keep your comments coming!

Tim

[duchman]

Originally posted by Tim Mousel

In my opinion, Goddess has her hip correctly placed and she is low enough. If it wasn't correct she wouldn't be able to throw a guy effortlessly that is much heavier than she is.

tim, i highly respect youre opinion but i think her hip is to low.
from a judo angle. as a result of a too high hip throw he will fall to the side off goddes, in a "correct" koshiguruma type throw, he will fall more in front off her. IMHO

http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/koshiguruma.htm

[Tim Mousel]

duchman,

You are correct in stating that it is not correct as a koshiguruma throw. For that throw the hip is much lower. The throw she is doing is one I learned from a world class wrestler. Rickson also showed me this variation in which the legs don't bend a lot. I don't think either is right or wrong, just different.

Tim

[Oldskulbus]

Originally posted by Tim Mousel
duchman,

You are correct in stating that it is not correct as a koshiguruma throw. For that throw the hip is much lower. The throw she is doing is one I learned from a world class wrestler. Rickson also showed me this variation in which the legs don't bend a lot. I don't think either is right or wrong, just different.

Tim

SMACK!!

The sound of Tim throwing down.

Hey Tim how effective is that block Goddess is doing fo the attacker's knee? I was taught to do more of a horizontal check with my arm. This blocks both knees of the attacker and leaves one of the defender's hands free.