Other Martial Arts in the UFC?

[Zhoozhitsu]

Originally posted by bustr
Another good question would be "Why are there so few BJJ people in SanShou or other Lei Tai competitions?"

What????

[Lacrymosa]

And yet ANOTHER good question is: Why aren't there as many horse jockeys competing in auto racing?

[bustr]

What????

http://www.sanshou.com/

[Rob B]

Bustr

Correct me if I'm wrong but i see a nice padded mat in that pic, the reason more BJJ fighters and wrestlers enter MMA is because it's alot closer to a real fight than San Shou, where there is no kneeing, no elbowing, the gloves are heavier and there is no groundwork. Also go to your local university and see if you can throw their Greco Roman team like that

[bustr]

Of course! All streetfights are an extended roll on the concrete with no 3rd parties involved.

[Rob B]

Of Course

Do you really think that ground grappling is all a MMA fighter can do, Where have you been. A MMA fighter who is versed in all the ranges of fighting is alot more prepared than a San Shou fighter who would be dead meat if the fight did happen to hit the ground.

You talk about how a grappler cannot handle multiples,which is a valid argument. Tell me though, how are you going to beat 2 grapplers on the street when you cannot even handle 1

[bustr]

"A MMA fighter who is versed in all the ranges of fighting is alot more prepared than a San Shou fighter who would be dead meat if the fight did happen to hit the ground."

I would imagine that SanShou has it's share of ex-wrestlers. My question was "Why are there so few BJJ people in SanShou or other Lei Tai competitions?". It was in response to the assertion that kungfu is useless and that is why it isn't seen in MMA when what you actually see in MMA is alot of flailing with an occasional boxing, wrestling or BJJ move. Of course given the fact that most MMA fans wouldn't recognize kungfu as such it is understandable that they would think it not present in MMA despite the fact that there are probably a few MMA fighters training in CMA, especially taichi.

[Rob B]

MMA is the closest legal event to a real fight that we have, nothing I repeat NOTHING has fewer rules than MMA. That has been it's appeal for fighters for the past 10 years in North America and the world, and the past 80 years in Brazil. In fact it is the purest venue in the world for a Martial Artist to diplay his skills. It should be the best thing to ever happen to traditional martial arts instead it has been it's biggest scurge.

Why would a MMA fighter wish to step into a competion which limits his techniques so much. No Elbows, Knees, Groundfighting; Fighting with head gear. It doesn't make sense for a fighter that wishes to display all of his skills to fight in a competition which limits him so much. On the other hand there is absolutely no reason that a Kung Fu fighter cannot fight in MMA. Every technique found in San Shou is legal in MMA, the only excuse for not fighting is that they are not prepared and simply not good enough.

[bustr]

"MMA is the closest legal event to a real fight that we have, nothing I repeat NOTHING has fewer rules than MMA."

Not if you can take your opponent down and make him land on a hard surface such as a parking block or if you can drive him out into a busy roadway. The emphasis on holding ground and resisting takedowns is equally valuable.

[Lacrymosa]

Sanshou Brand Concrete

"CONCRETE SOFT ENOUGH TO BREAKDANCE ON......"

[Rob B]

Huh?

I really don't follow your train of thought, your rebuttal has absolutely nothing to do with the orginal statement you quoted. Are you stating that there are legal martial arts events which include parking blocks and busy roadways?

"The emphasis on holding ground and resisting takedowns is equally valuable."

What makes you think that MMA will not give you those attributes. Talk to anyfighter MMA fighter who has fought a BJJ fighter, he could write an essay on the topic.

[bustr]

This statement?

"Why are there so few BJJ people in SanShou or other Lei Tai competitions?"

You may have to stay on your feet for whatever reason in which case specializing in an art where you can lose by being thrown one time will force you to figure out ways to resist takedowns. I'm not saying that one competition is better than the other though. But since the consensus is that kungfu is so useless I'd to know why MMA fighters don't compete in SanShou and destroy the kungfu fighters.

[Mr. Miyagi]

BJJ fighters don't compete in san shou tournaments because they are looking to finish fights on the ground. Most BJJ and judo players have learned the art of falling to the extent that they could probably continue even if they were thrown onto concrete; I have been thrown on pavement and besides minor scrapes, was OK and ready to keep fighting. I agree that a top san shou fighter like Cung Le would be extremely difficult for any middleweight MMA fighter to deal with. San shou is a realistic sport, it is not a style of gung fu.

[Alan]

What was the style of that guy who got creamed by Tank, Steve Nelmark i think his name was...

[Dio]

I myself have a lot of respect for san shou. It is not like other styles of kung fu. I think most kung fu is shite. But san shou is different. It's like kickboxing and wrestling. They fight full contact. It's not one of those traditional, sit in horse stance for 10 hours while meditating styles.

San shou is just as credible as boxing.

Your not goign to find as much talent in it as it's not very popular. But it is in my opinion a very effective style.