Boxing question

[Szczepankiewicz]

How long does it take to learn the basics of boxing?

To make a fist? The proper mechanics of a punch? The proper techniques of footwork, taking a punch, etc, etc?

How much training in required before the basic principles are instilled in a student that he may use them instinctually?

[crazyjoe380]

3 months to learn the basics

3 years to devolpe a good fighter...


6 basic punchs

1 left jab

2.right power

3.left cross

4.right cross power

5. left uppercut

6.right uppercut power


same shit for body shots and you can use these body and head shots in endless combos...1000 combos dont matter how you mix up the combos..it's what ever is open
(righties)


there is like 15 types of jabs i think

there is couters

dodges

cuts

faints

this guy i train with has many tricks up his sleeves..so i'm learning alot...

[Grahf1]

How long until you have the edge over the average joe in a fist fight?

[crazyjoe380]

how long until you have an advantage in a fist fight?

that's on you. if you have the balls to fight..then you already have an advantage...learn how to dodge and weave and slip.
slipping is good. a dumb fool on the street is going to throw wild ass punches and haymakers at you. those type of punches to a boxer are a dream come true because you already now. trust me. jabbing muf****as is a good thing too. they wont exept a one two three jab to the face then a cross...ouch!

you have an advantage over any fist fight if you box and hit the bag constantly. you hit harder then someone who don't hit the bag and is always doing drugs and drinking...while you train...

and still do drugs and drink...hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

what the **** ..life is short..what can i do?

but yea you have an advantage as soon as you train...right away...muy thai you have a great advantage cause you add elbows and knees with strong kicks...

[Bond]

Hmm-Some of whats posted is true some not.
Boxing is a sport like BJJ Using boxing in a fistfight and being sucessfull against "The average joe" depends on what strategy you use.
Left jabs , for instance, are not advisable in a streetfight- whereas straight overhand rights and lefts are very effective- especilly if you hit hard.
Ive seen many boxers infistfights over the years. Ive also boxed myself. Some of the sport boxing strategy must be thrown out.
Here are some basics that work -
The aformentioned overhand rights (if your righty)-, but best set up with an open left hand to block your opponents rush, if he attempts it.
Inside uppercuts- these are great with either hand , with the other hand foream being used to set your opponent in thebest positions.
Outside combinations with a tucked chin.

Avoid- inside combinations- you get taken down
Jabs- a waste - he hits you or charges in and rams you while you are playing.
Left hooks as a lead-They work fine if your right arm is controlling your opponent, but if you miss a lead left or right hook, your open for a takedown

[crazyjoe380]

How many street fights have you been in bond?

i've been in over 40 street fights mr. bond. when i was in a gang

been in over 15 rumbles mr.bond..

your technical advice was heard but

EXPERIANCE ALWAYS TOPS TALK....

[crazyjoe380]

Originally posted by Bond
Hmm-Some of whats posted is true some not.
Boxing is a sport like BJJ Using boxing in a fistfight and being sucessfull against "The average joe" depends on what strategy you use.
Left jabs , for instance, are not advisable in a streetfight-

this fool said the LEFT JAB is not advisable in a street fight..

*throws dick in the air*

*dick lands in bonds mouth*



in boxing...a left jab is a SET UP....

you set people up with a JAB or a FAINT...

if been in jail and seen some good fights...especially with some big guys with 19 inch arms...

i understand what your saying bond...but you telling me if "joe" throw a big HAYMAKER like a big HOOK and i slip under and connect with the cross to the stomach and then a left cross to the face....IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK?

lol


i've done it

i've lived...

so what are you talking about?

[Groin Grab]

Another Attribute boxing develops for the street fighter is an ablity to read punches, see things coming, and keep your head off line. I've found those attributes to be more usefull than any of the punching set-ups and combos. When it comes to real fighting I go straight to the Knees, Head butts and Elbows and nearly every time I've used my boxing skills to get there.

[Bond]

Easy Groin Grab" (Gay name by the way-did you use that one in jail and Crazy Joe - (any relation to late crazy Joe Gallo from th boogie down Bronx? -
"streetfights" I grew up with 5 brothers, moved several times and was in too many fights. Ive also seen people stabbed clubbed shot and otherwise mauled. Whatever .
Boxing- I boxed in North Jersey in 79 and traned with- The NJ Proheavyweight Champion of the time- Wild Bill Carlson, Ligt Heavyweight GG champion BobBradley, Sal CenecolaOpen GG champ, Bruce the Mouse Strauss, Pat Cullen and many others The best fights were after the matches, as we would be in suchnice towns as Pterson Elixabeth for the events. I Hated boxing- I did it because it ws a status thing in my neighborhood.
My claim to fame there was K.Oing the AAU middlewight champion of the time- (I was lightweight.)
Boxingworks- to a degree- Maybe some sh!tazz guy got set up with a left jab in a fist fight where you come from-between a couple drunks or dorks- Where I lived , left jabs were a fools choice in a fistfight- "rumble " lol( Ive not heard tht word inyears.- BTW By the age of 17 , we had found that the best weapon in a rumble is a gun- Try to avoid "rumbles " son.

[crazyjoe380]

*bows down to bond*

lol


good training..but we were talking about boxing ..so i stuck it there..i grapple and box and kick and elbow and lock joints when i fight...

sorry i was so rude...


it's all good..we all are diffrent..but damb that's a good training back ground...


joe not from gang anymore so no more rumbles....and i have family in the bronx...i got my name from my uncle ...but he died...so i dont know ...cause i look like him

but yo...

peace out..thanks for the advice

[Anal Scurvy]

I agree with groin grab. I enjoy kickboxing and boxing and the greatest advantage I've gleaned from both is how not to get hit.

[dzl256]

bond, it seems to me that ALL of the greatest fighters in no holds barred fighting use the jab an awful lot they also teach it or recommend it in their instructional tapes.....just watch the tapes...but who knows you might know someting they dont but for now ill just have to trust learning from those who practice it 8 hours a day and make a LIVING AT IT...

[Bond]

DZL- ! Ummm I ve seen justabout all the NHB events since UFC 1 back in93 -too -In that one as i recall Art Jimmerson attempted traditional jabs and got sacked by Royce Gracie ,what a joke - All he did was set up Royces takedown with it.Today is no different-Top NHB fighters DO NOT rely on jabs- The best Standup Punching fighters commit with every punch-THese are the guys that are dangerous. GUys that hit like Tito and Silva dont play with flickingJabs dancing around the ring -They throw the shoulder into the punch-which makes it adifferent punch than a traditional jab.It becomes an overhand right or left. Name ONE big banger in NHB that uses traditional boxing jabs to set up his opponent?
There are none-What tapes? Ive seen a tape of one fellow whos name wont mention who calls a jab every punch he throws with his lead hand-Only one of the punches was a jab. The rest were assorted hooks uppercuts and overhand punches. If THATS what you call a jab- then yes jabs do work
Crazy Joe - lol- no prob man. I appreciate the write back- I still havea dam deviated septum (broken nose)from boxing. The doctro said would hve to have it rebroken by him smashing it with a little hammer- then they reset it. This would mean my whole face would be swelled for a week. 20 years later im still to chicken to do it .. Good luck with your training

[Szczepankiewicz]

Ok all you boxing experts...

What is the difference between a jab and an overhand punch?


Dumb it down for me, would ya?

[Bond]

The term "jab" can be defined in a few ways.
The gym I went to, the trainer was very specific.
The traditional jab was a punch that was thrown from the chin straight out from the lead hand ( the one closer to your opponent, on the same side as your forward foot.). It was also thrown rapidly in succession without coming back to the chin. One had the option of stepping foward to jab, or not dependingon the opponents position , and your intent. Steppin intothe jab created a bit more power outr of it..
An Overhand punch is one thrown from either hand. You always stepped into the punch and committed with the shoulder- THis gave it more power than simple jabs. Many people confuse fast punches like this with the lead hand as a simple jab. Our trainer made sure we knew the difference so when he yelled instructions we would know how to respond.
Flicking out jabs worked fine in boxing matches with gloves, if you had any speed, because they worked great to put your opponent where you wanted him to be,since you were not allowed to grab him to do that-You would get points for jabbing , whereas clinching and pushing would get you penalised in some cases.
If you watch the first UFC #1 - check out Royce VSJimmerson. Jimmerson uses a traditional jab
Come to the latest UFC#34 and watch BJ Penn, his were all power overhands, hooks ,& uppercuts with both hands. Seeing IS beleiving