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scar was mispelled cause i have a cast and i type too fast..i jumped the gun like we jump on your mom
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Joe,
"what i mean by countering other grapplers and boxers....
they show you the timing and speed of it...
i have a choice.when he throws a punch i can punch back and counter or go for the take down..so i dont know what you mean..
the bear hug move is done to get the better position.."
Ok I misunderstood this point. Actually I still do
"(boxing we strike..would you fight MIKE TYSON even though he dont bare knuckle? so i dont get you and thats why im asking if your being a smart ass)"
I remember a fight that Tyson got into a few years back. He knocked the guy out but broke his hand as well. The fight could have been ended with an elbow, knee or headbutt without the fracture. Then the guy sued him and used Tyson's broken hand as evidence. PUNCHING is different with bare knuckles.
The rest of your post I agree with.
TracyKarate,
Well, you are back. You still haven't answered my question though. Even though boxing, Thai, BJJ and wrestling have rules, your oponent is really trying to finish you. it gives you invaluable experience in judging distance, timing and most of all mental awareness. You still have not explained to me how your training is more "realistic" than these martial sports.Comment
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I would be happy to answer any questions you have for me. As I have said numerous times, these sports you mentioned are just that, sportive competition. An attacker on the street is not going to attack you like Oscar De La Hoya. He will attack with a wild, unpredictable strike. Why then, would I be expected to spend my time training how to slip a jab, bob and weave, so on and so forth? I train against attacks like a bear hug, head lock, haymaker, wrist grab, knife attack-- I could go on and on. Will a boxer ever encounter these situations in his training? No. So if he did on the street, he would be handling it in a completely untrained manner, because it has nothing to do with his "sport".Comment
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Originally posted by TracyKarate
I would be happy to answer any questions you have for me. As I have said numerous times, these sports you mentioned are just that, sportive competition. An attacker on the street is not going to attack you like Oscar De La Hoya. He will attack with a wild, unpredictable strike. Why then, would I be expected to spend my time training how to slip a jab, bob and weave, so on and so forth? I train against attacks like a bear hug, head lock, haymaker, wrist grab, knife attack-- I could go on and on. Will a boxer ever encounter these situations in his training? No. So if he did on the street, he would be handling it in a completely untrained manner, because it has nothing to do with his "sport".
exactly my point. you are trained to fight people off the streets that know nothing, while i learn how to fight other martial artists. I took japnz jiu jitsu and it teaches taking knives from people. guns ..how to keep your hands same level as gun so you can have some kind of edge. but if you do the same moves to a martial artist ..he is going to get out of it our counter.
sports martial arts can be switched to street martial arts easly. more people on this site agree with me..cause it's true..tacy isnt going to be able to grab or wrist lock me as easy as some job blow off the street. Karate is a DEFENSE Martial art and works when the the offender strikes. BJJ, boxing, muay thai is both..OFF AND DEF...
Muay thai is on of the best stand up arts..that mixed with jijitsu
LIKE I SAID BEFORE BUT TRACY CANT READ..
one hour of the BJJ is STREET DEFENSE AND REAL SITUATIONS
the other hour its SPORTS with GI training..YOU UNDER
ESTIMATE too much..Comment
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I can read when it is not written in ghetto talk. You would benefit greatly from using a simple dictionary. Like I said, if you are expecting to be attacked by Oscar De La Hoya on the street, you can go and box to your heart's content--and you will still lose. If you don't know who will attack you or how, you need to train realisticly for combat, not sport, and with an OPEN mind. You may think that you do, but you don't know it all.Comment
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Realistic training will always win over sportive competition, hands down.Comment
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What part of STREET TRAINING DIDN'T YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
what part of GI training for the second hour didnt you understand?Comment
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Always???
How many incidents have you used one or more striking/grappling techniques to defend yourself Tracy?Comment
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First off Joe!!!! This is exactly what I didn't want to happen. Please no more of this S H I T.
Anyways Tracy,
"An attacker on the street is not going to attack you like Oscar De La Hoya. He will attack with a wild, unpredictable strike. Why then, would I be expected to spend my time training how to slip a jab, bob and weave, so on and so forth"
This a quote I thought was applicable (credit to the original poster):
This is a fallacy, that we, as martial artists should go to GREAT lengths to break. How many times have you seen the "defense to the roundhouse punch," taught in MA, but NOT the defense to a sharp tight hook? Never mind that if you know how to defend the HOOK you can defend that big ol redneck swipe with relative ease.
My point is this: Train what works on trained opponents. Don't practice for the untrained. If somebody tries the football, head down, big-guy tackle all the grappling I've done will let me get out of that with ease. If I've trained to defend against that tackle and the guy turns out to be an angry ex wrestler who shoots a nice solid double, well then, I'm screwed.
Bottom line: Assume your opponents are trained. Practice good principles hard against other trained opponents. The practice you have will then enable you to deal with the "untrained," version of that attack.Comment
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The only fallacy here is believing that training one way will prepare you for fighting a different way. Police officers do not need to learn to box because they need to subdue criminals. Soldiers do not learn to box because they need to kill their enemies. People walking on the street do not need to learn boxing because they will not be attacked by Sugar Ray Leonard. It is just that simple.Comment
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if i was to attack tracy..he would have a hard time...
Police subdue thier apponents because they have BACK UP
the army has guns and back up..most soldiers box for your info
My cousin is boxing champ in the marines..
tracy.....
WRONG AGAIN!
3 SHERIFFS ARE IN MY BOXING GYM!!Comment
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TracyKarate,
Why is it that you won't answer my question?Comment
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Writing in large letters does not make you seem intelligent. Police officers subdue because they are trying to arrest criminals, not impress judges or set up a nice combination. If they don't have backup they will use their gun. 3 sherrif's officers in L.A. is probably below 2 or 3 percent of the department. This proves my point. Point and match. Nice try.
Szczepankiewicz, could you rephrase the question? I would be happy to answer it but it is a little unclear.Comment
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They are not allowed to punch people you dumb asshole..
lololololololComment
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So then why make the point that you have 3 sherrifd officers in your boxing gym? Try to think a little before you post.Comment
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