Tracy if he would ever try to box....Plus a question

[crazyjoe380]

Ok..

How long does it take to learn KARATE,KUNG FU, KEMPO..



i know that if you take BOXING, MUAY THAI, AND BJJ

you have atleast some basics skills to fight in a situation becuase of intense training and the punches themselves..i took karate before and we all did simultanious shit..

PUNCHES

ONE...TWO....

HEYYYYYYYYY YAAAAAAAA!!

that was not good to me i quit..

boxing was for me


Does it take one year in Karate/kung fu to even try to use it in a fight..? i seen this guy who knew san sho......... and some black dude at the vocational school dropped him and mounted him..beat him down...for calling him a NIG**...So..

IM CONFUSED ABOUT MARTIAL ARTS PERIOD!
WHAT GOOD IS IT? BECAUSE FIGHTERS AND PEOPLE IN GENERAL ADVANCE SO MUCH....jujitsu isnt domnating mma anymore..things change..do does KUNG FU/KARATE change with the time or stay in the same teachings?

that guy knew kung fu and still got beat up!!PEOPLE EXPLAIN!!

[crazyjoe380]

vs

[mushinmaster]

Sounds like you didn't have a good karate school/instructor.

[soho]

those pics say it all

[Zeke]

2SN4f8

The picture of the karate class is perfect. A bunch of guys doing step by step punching, then talking about how lethal they are. How can anyone believe that holding his hands at waist level, throwing stiff punches, and screaming would help them in a fight? I feel sorry for anyone who gets caught up in that scam.

[JaredExtreme]

LoL! I think Rickson could take all those Karate jabronnies at one time!

[mushinmaster]

Real Karate

Don't catagorize all karate this way. There is good karate and there is bad karate. Depends on the instructor. We don't do any of that crap at my dojo.


Unfortunatly this is a pic of typicall karate... American is even worse.

This stuff can be just as brutal and effective as any BJJ, MT - have you ever seen some of the kyokoshin training from japan? - pure brutallity.

True karateka are tough sunuvabitches - real warriors, just like any MMA guys train just as hard - and for anything.

Not all karate is bad - don't count it out b/c of the reputation its got from modern martial arts. When its not budo, or sport - jutsu, and trained correclty it is =.

I've never done one form at my dojo.

Too bad tracey isn't into this karate....just kidding, just kidding


I'm still interesting in seeing you fight, tracey - even though that's not the true spirit of karate, just a friendly match between you and Joe - Okay, maybe not friendly

[crazyjoe380]

*does the touch down dance*

karate sucks

[Bau]

real karate...

https://www.seidokaikan.com

[Halloween Jack]

Kee-ya

I don't know why everyone thinks the kiai is ridiculous. Yes, the sight of a screaming man doing punches in the air and thinking he's a badass is ridiculous. But it's a fact that exhaling and vocalizing while engaging your muscles allows you to apply more force. That's why people reflexively grunt when they lift heavy things.

[Szczepankiewicz]

The spirit shout is great if you have a one time all or nothing breaking the board kind of situation. However, if you are in a confrontation, I don't advise doing a lot of yelling. It tends to disrupt the natural breathing pattern. We break boards and hit makiwara and spar and grapple and never, ever do we do a Hiyaa! I can focus my energy by relaxing with a slow exhale during the strike.

Most point sparring gurus only do it to attract attention for a particular move for the judges. judo teaches it for falling. I know how to fall without yelling.

But hey, if you wanna whoop it up, feel free....

I know Mushi yells a lot when I smack him around.

SZ

[mushinmaster]

KIAI: you don't have to yell

Let me tell you all the story of the 19th century karate master in Okinawa, as told by Forest E. Morgan in Living the Martial Way

They met at dawn in a field outside the village where they lived, and each expected a fight to the death. As the master approached the field, the other man readied himself and assumed his fighting stance. The master, however, approached the scene standing relaxed with his hands at his sides. As the master came within fighting range, the challenger suddenly felt ill, and his knees nearly buckled. He quickly excused himself for a moment and sat down to regain his composure.
After several minutes, the master asked him if he was ready to get on with it. The man decided he was and got up to take his stance, but as soon as he looked into the master's calm face and firm gaze, he felt ill again and had to sit to keep from falling. "Sir, I withdraw my challenge and apologize,'' he said. "I can see I am no match for you, and fighting would surely cost me my life."

cont'd next post

[mushinmaster]

Living the Martial Way, by Forest E. Morgan

KIAI AND AIKI

Kiai and Aiki are Japanese terms describing abilities used at the higher levels in all traditional martial arts. You've probably noticed these two words are anagrams of each other. This is no coincidence, for their functions are closely related. Each is a combination of the words ki, or life force, and ai. Ai means to blend, harmonize, or dominate in some contexts, and in others, the existance of something in concentration.
Kiai literally means to concentrate or focus the life force. I know you've heard the word kiai defined as a "spirit shout." Indeed, the spirit shout is an important tool for learning to develop kiai, but like so many other aspects of modern training, the outward, physical trappings of kiai practice hav become confused with the internal function itself by those who don't know what kiai is. The fact is, exponents of some classical martial arts such as kenjutsu (Japanese Swordsmanship) don't shout at all as they kiai, focusing their spirits and their blades into their targets. Masters of kiai sometimes project it without even moving, much less shouting.
Aiki means united life force or spirit. This union refers not only to the act of coordinating one's own body and spirit but to blending with and dominating an opponent as well. In the modern interpretation, aiki usually refers to the act of physically blending with an opponent's attack, then using leverage to upset his balance and dominate him. But there is much more to aiki in the classical sense.
Around the turn of the century, Takeda Sogaku, headmaster of Daito Ryu Aikijutsu, said, "Aiki is the art of defeating your opponent with a single glance." This manifestation of aiki can be seen as the effect on the opponent of projected kiai. In fact, aiki and kiai are two sides of the same coin. The Jujutsu Kyoju-sho Ryu no Maki (Textbook of Jujutsu, Volume on Ryu), published in 1913, explained this point when it said, "Aiki is an impassive state of mind without a blind side, slackness, evil intention, or fear. There is no difference between aiki and kiai; however, if compared, when expressed dynamically aiki is called kiai, and when expressed statically it is aiki."

pages103-105

[Halloween Jack]

Re: KIAI: you don't have to yell

Originally posted by mushinmaster
Let me tell you all the story of the 19th century karate master in Okinawa, as told by Forest E. Morgan in Living the Martial Way

They met at dawn in a field outside the village where they lived, and each expected a fight to the death. As the master approached the field, the other man readied himself and assumed his fighting stance. The master, however, approached the scene standing relaxed with his hands at his sides. As the master came within fighting range, the challenger suddenly felt ill, and his knees nearly buckled. He quickly excused himself for a moment and sat down to regain his composure.
After several minutes, the master asked him if he was ready to get on with it. The man decided he was and got up to take his stance, but as soon as he looked into the master's calm face and firm gaze, he felt ill again and had to sit to keep from falling. "Sir, I withdraw my challenge and apologize,'' he said. "I can see I am no match for you, and fighting would surely cost me my life."

cont'd next post

The same story is told (in greater detail) in Gichin Funakoshi's Karate-Do: My Way of Life.

[mushinmaster]

Same book, pg 106-107

"This story(the 1st post) may sound farfetched, but anyone who has developed kiai or has felt the effect of one wh has can identify with it. I had a similar experience a few years ago.

I was vacationing in a rural part of Michingan with my wife and in-laws. My 14 year-old brother-in-law had been riding his bicycle but came in crying b/c some young men had pelted him with rocks. There were four or five of them at the end of a dirt road drinking beer outside their cars, and it seems they thought throwing rocks at the boy as he rode his bike down the road was great sport.

I was outraged when I heard about this, and I set out to ask these guys what kind of men they thought they were. As I started down the road, I could see several cars about 200 yards out, and areound them, the men. One of them noticed me coming, and seeing by brother-in-law following sheepishly behind, realized I was coming to confront them. They all began to taunt.

Perhaps it was righteous indignation, but as I walked down the road, I felt my sense of purpose focus like a steely blade. I wasn't looking for a fight. I intended to talk to these men, to humiliate them into facing their own cowardice. On the other hand, I was well aware a fight would probably break out, and I wasn't worried. I had confidence in my own abilities as a warrior, and I knew my cause was just. Whatever happened, I would win. The only questions open where how many of them might escape and how badly I would hurt the others.

I walked steadily ahead, never taking my eyes off my enemies. They continued to taunt, but as I closed the distance, their demeanor gradually changed, becoing ever more dubdues. By the time I was within 100 yards, they were standing completely silent, shifting from foot to foot, and whispering nervously to one another.

Suddenly on panicked and they all bolted for their cars. They roared out into a cloud fo dust, racing toward me and the olny outlet to the main road. When the first of the three card camde withing twenty yards of me, it was as if something leaped out in its path-the man slammed on the brakes and swerved to the far side of the road. I stood and watched defiantly as each car pulled as far to the other side of the road as possible and crept passed me, careful not to throw any gravel in my directions. Each of the men stared rigidly ahead, refusing to meet my glare. I could plainly see fear on thier faces.