The Most Winning Martial Art in NHB?

[jules]

According to the poll ... jiu-jitsu should continue this new leading period. Technic (jiu-jitsuka physicals are average in weight) better than strengh (wrestlers are often huge) ? Why not ? It is sane to hear that !

It all depends on the time limit. If they are fighting longer the advantage goes to the JJ guy (IMHO).

Groin Grab,

I think the most dangerous aspect of the muy tha fighter his their neck clench elbows and knees and low line kicks the only guys I've ever seen that can box in muy tha are the guys at the top and a lot of them spent a considerable time just boxing. Basically I think if you take a boxer and turn him into a kick boxer he'll be a lot better than a guy who is a strickly a kick boxer or a kicker that started kick boxing.

So you think that since a boxer is a better puncher than a kickboxer he should be a better kickboxer than a guy who just kickboxed? Yes the boxer should have the advantage in one distance i.e arm distance. MT is the art of eight (elbows,knees, hands, legs) so what are you going to do with the other 3 distances/weapons? Would you be able to throw elbows/knees as well as a man who has been doing it longer than you? Not really. Yes a boxer is going to win in a boxing match against a MT guy. Like a basketball center would be able to defend his man in the post better than a point guard. Anyhow. Most high level MT fights end up in the elbow/knee distance. Attacking from the clinch is what seperates MT from all other popluar striking arts. And being able to perform well in the clinch is the hardest thing to learn and takes the longest. (IMHO). Moral of the story? If you want to be a great MTer you should spend alot more time in the gym than your average boxer... you just have too much shit to practice.

[wholefnshow13]

Muay Thai with good take down defense along with a good ground game. So to answer this question, a good fighter who cross trains.

[Thai Bri]

Originally posted by Shimora
None of the above.

Where is Ninjutsu? Ninjutsu holds one UFC Championship Belt via Steve Jennum. Sakuraba is essentially using Ninjutsu when he fights and he is a multiple Pride Champion with victories over all of the Gracie Family (Including Helio in a closed doors match).
I suggest you list Ninjutsu there if you are serious about your poll.

Horse shit. Steve Jennum had the honour of competing in one of the silliest UFCs. remember that karate guy who demonstrated his power by punching through weak sand bags? Lol..... And, even then, all Jennum did was win one fight. He was an alternate, and the best fighters had seen each other off or retired through injury. The whole UFC3 was a disaster.

What about the "Ninja" (Scott someone.....) in an earlier UFC? He got totally blasted and bitch slapped by Pat Smith. The guy had done a demo at the beginning of the tape of his "Ninja" moves. Oh yes! His compliant partner was all over the place. But as soon as he had a real fight he looked like a baby taking on a crocodile.

Ninjas. I'm sure they were pretty deadly back in ancient Japan...... but the half baked so called Ninjas of today are a joke! I remember watchning a semi contact competition many years ago. A "Ninja" had entered that. He wore the mask and the silly slippers. What a dick. And he got creamed.

[Fighterkid15]

Just Ju-jitsu in general, i mean really, i'm not going to down BJJ but i think its too overrated. But it does have its good points

[MuayThaiFighter]

I'm not going to vote,because no one single art on its own is any good.

You just can't compare a stand up art to a grappling art makes no sense.A muay thai fighter is good at stand up because that is what he is trained in,just as a grappler is good at fighting on the ground.

The best arts are the mixed arts that concentrate specifically on self-defense.

Muay Thai is known as the best stand up art in the world whether some people want to admit to it or not.

There is no best grappling style,because all grappling is good.

Now mixing both grappling and muay thai is what will make the best art.This way you know how to use every part of your body as a weapon and know all the striking parts from both stand up and ground fighting such techniques are jabs,right cross,hooks,upper cuts,elbows,knees,shin kicks,arm bars,triangle chokes,knee locks,neck cranks,etc.

If I were to chose the best of the arts you mentioned I would definitely chose:

Muay Thai
Sambo
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Vale Tudo
Wrestling

I do not consider karate and tae kwon do to be good arts of self-defense.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Originally posted by Szczepankiewicz
The final bout of UFC 1 was listed as Savate vs. Gjj. Gerard Gordueau may have crosstrained, but it's only listed as Savate for his discipline.

In UFC 2, Patrrick Smith (listed as TKD) lost to Gracie in the final match.

UFC 4, Severn (wrestler) lost to Gracie at the end.



Are you talking about a pure Muay Thai fighter? I saw where somone listed as MT did win one fight but not someone who fought Gracie in the finals.

SZ

Gerard was actually a Karateka Kyokushin style, he was fighting in a gi wasn't he?

[brokenelbow]

I'm not going to vote,because no one single art on its own is any good.

Now mixing both grappling and muay thai is what will make the best art.This way you know how to use every part of your body as a weapon and know all the striking parts from both stand up and ground fighting such techniques are jabs,right cross,hooks,upper cuts,elbows,knees,shin kicks,arm bars,triangle chokes,knee locks,neck cranks,etc.

Let me see how my art stacks up...
jabs check
right cross check
hooks check
upper cuts check
elbows check
knees check
shin kicks check
arm bars check
triangle chokes check
knee locks check
neck cranks check
etc. check (whatever etc is)

Hey, does that mean you do karate too MTFighter?
I will admit that BJJ still has the best ground game. Hey, what if you combined BJJ with San Shou? Then you'd get all of the above and some really great throws too. Now that's an even better art.

[FightProud]

Brazillian JJ by FAR

OK... heres why... pain compliance is not a given

EXAMPLE- Muai Thai VW BJJ
Kick kick kick OUCH
arm bar... SNAP

match over

[Thai Bri]

Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL]


Gerard was actually a Karateka Kyokushin style, he was fighting in a gi wasn't he?

He was in Gi trousers and no top.

Someone said he broke his foot and hand prior to the final? I dont think so, just reddening to the hand.

Someone said "did he tap, or was he choked?".

Both. He was being choked and tried to tap! But Royce wasn't for letting go as Shamrock had disgracefully tried to pretend that he had not tapped in a previous bout.