Opinions on Scott Sonnon?

[zeeberex]

Let's see here, HerefordJJ, who has never posted here before, was just created to post in this topic. Nice try Sonnon.

[Jock]

Created controversy

New evidence suggests that this whole topic was created by non other than the subject of the topic himself. As one progresses through the thread they find that indeed the ross website is cited several times. Controversy often creates interest. Getting someone to a site increases the chances that their interest peaks towards the intended message by more than 50%, and at least 100% more than if they never got to the site in the first place.

BE AWARE OF THE WOLF THAT COMES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING.

It is not known which one the chameleon is posturing as, but it is well known that he is definitely involved in this very created scandal here. What a joke! How many created entities does he own?

Time for beddy bye

[Tape Lord]

zeeberex and Smokey_D, stop trolling.


Scott Sonnon is none of the things you say. What he is though, is a highly intelligent individual who believes very deeply in what he does. Maybe he talks too complicated most of the times for most people but that's just the way he is, he's kind of like the Jeff Goldbloom character from Jurassic Park.

You 2 are obvious trolls who want to discredit him like you have tried on other forums. If that's your thing then so be it but the R.O.S.S. system is legit. And there's nothing wrong with breathing exercises, it is proven scientifically to improve one's performance and well being.


Tape Lord

[Szczepankiewicz]

Tape Lord is correct!

[zeeberex]

Tape Lord,

There is scientific evidence that the ROSS breathing exercises work? Please give me a reference to an article in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Otherwise, shut up, because you just told a whopper.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Yeah, Tape Lord, Shut Up!

Zeeberex is right until you prove him wrong with empirical evidence to the contrary, from an accredited documented and world renowned and recognized source. Or until you tell him to shut up....


SZ

[jdiebner]

Zeeberex most astutely remains correct. All of you diminutive so-called "fighters" can step aside. I've debunked the myth called "Sonnon" thoroughly on rec.martial-arts. Regardless of the tirades of little trolls with fabricated "personal" stories, people with obvious jealousy of Sonnon's ego inflation, the FACT remains that ROSS is a pseudoscientific farse. Do not be fooled. I have reason to believe that Sonnon actually parades as many pseudonyms on rec.martial-arts attacking himself ad hominem in order to confuse people to my debunking of his deceptions.
It does not matter that ROSS has been implemented into training throughout USA or the world, because it claims to be a scientific system. UNTIL that claim is supported, Sonnon is a fraud.
I've read of his accomplishments as a fighter and coach. They DO NOT MATTER! He claims ROSS is a scientific system, and until that is supported with documented research, he may as well be the next SCARS "flim-flam" serviceman.
Sonnon is categorically a marketing genius becuase he fools those of mediocre intelligence into believing his system is legit through employment of vocabulary smacking of science. It's the oldest trick in the book, and YOU are the victim falling for his deviant advertising.
Do you see him published anywhere? Look at his list of so-called articles at http://www.amerross.com/news.html Are there ANY academic resources? Absolutely not.
Zeeberex, don't worry, I shall not give up!

[Szczepankiewicz]

What does "diminutive" mean?

Well, if you've debunked it thoroughly , I guess that's good enough for me!

[Jock]

Posting as himself

To anyone who isn't sonnon posting as himself, check out the threads at rec.martial-arts in regards to the unravelling of the infamous Jeff Deibner, who in a private e-mail to myself claimed he was sonnon and had set me up for a lawsuit aimed at discrediting a student of Sonnon's, whom Sonnon ripped off.

The astute observer will actually see that in this message below, controversy is created to bring attention to ROSS and aimed at increasing websit trafic. See the cleverly put embeds within the sentence as Mr. Deibner is actually creating interest in ROSS disguised as a weak attempt to debunk it.

Ironically Deibner and Sonnon possess the same writing style, syntax and all. Something that neither was clever enough to change....

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Originally posted by jdiebner
>Zeeberex most astutely remains correct. All of you diminutive >so-called "fighters" can step aside. I've debunked the myth >called "Sonnon" thoroughly on rec.martial-arts.

Here is the example of the distraction which is geared to consciously have the reader believe that the topic is debunking, from a man who claims tohave no interest financially or otherwise...

> Regardless of the tirades of little trolls with >fabricated "personal" stories, people with obvious jealousy of >Sonnon's ego inflation,

Embedded is that anyone who posts against scott, with the exception of Deibner is a troll that is jealous of Sonnon. However, Deibner is the saviour that is only interested in debunking, here gives Scott the benefit of the doubt.

>the FACT remains that ROSS is a >pseudoscientific farse. Do not >be fooled. I have reason to >believe that Sonnon actually >parades as many pseudonyms on rec.martial-arts attacking >himself ad hominem in order to confuse people to my debunking >of his deceptions.

More confusion. Deibner couldn't possible BE sonnon himself, now could he? After all, he is the saviour here to provide scientific backing to his claims.

And now we see another clever embed in promotion of Ross:

>It does not matter that ROSS has been implemented into >training throughout USA or the world, because it claims to be a >scientific system.



> UNTIL that claim is supported, Sonnon is a fraud.
>I've read of his accomplishments as a fighter and coach.

accomplishments which include made up titles, and false tournaments. However, this comment above is again creating the idea that there were "accomplishments".

>They DO NOT MATTER!

if they were real.

>He claims ROSS is a scientific system, >and until that is >upported with documented research, he may as well be the >ext >CARS "flim-flam" serviceman.

>Sonnon is categorically a marketing genius becuase he fools >t>hose of mediocre intelligence into believing his system is legit >through employment of vocabulary smacking of science. It's the >oldest trick in the book, and YOU are the victim falling for his >deviant advertising.

deviant advertising, including Bad Press is better than NO press.

>Do you see him published anywhere? Look at his list of so->called articles at http://www.ameross.com/news.hml

Blatant attempt to direct the people to the site,where its marketing will do its wonders. Remember, create a controversy...people love it.

>Are there ANY academic resources? Absolutely not.
>Zeeberex, don't worry, I shall not give up!

Apparently not. Yesterday, after having tried to bait me into posting that Sonnon was molesting a student in regards to a quote here, Jeff turned against me in e-mail when I told him I would NOT continue exposing Scott as I have been paid the remainder of my outstanding fee's by his Business partner John Darby. Thanks John, for being human. Sorry that you are affiliated with this mess, but it is a choice and you have to face the consequences by association.

Now Jeffs tirade includes threats of legal action against me, claiming he was collecting evidence for Sonnon. Whoa BOY, does the man give up? LOL


Ciao

[Smokey_D]

If Sonnon comes to this forum and other forums/newsgroups to build up publicity to his website, then all the power to him. It's a free capitalistic country. Sonnon is merely exploiting the system.

With that said though, it seems that many forum members discount Sonnon and ROSS for "pseudo-science". I'm in that boat. However, I will probably end up buying a video or two from his site just to have in my collection because good or bad, ROSS is out there and people do practice the "art", plus I'm a MA freak .

Good luck to Sonnon, I hope he makes millions, unfortunately he just won't have the respect of mainstream martial artists.

Still trolling...Smokey_D

[Jock]

Smokey_D,

Yeah sure, nothing wrong with a little capitalism and exploitation if you can dish it out and take it as well.

What concerns me are the rumours that you posted.

Since you trained with him, does it describe his behaviour accurately?

I sure hope they are just nasty rumours. I never experienced that when I trained with him, thank god!

Cheers

[Jock]

Jock!

[HerefordJJ]

From: Jeff Diebner (fraudbuster@hotmail.com)
Subject: Most Pathetic Troll Ever - John Perone
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
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Date: 2002-02-13 20:42:46 PST

There have been a lot of trolls on rec.martial-arts, some funny, some pathetic. But the most pathetic troll ever - not just on rec.martial-arts, but perhaps in the history of the Internet, has got to be Mr. John Perone. Who is John Perone?

To get some background on Mr. Perone, go to Google newsgroups and type "Sonnon". Mr. Perone goes by the names J, JP, Arco, Mumbles, and Jamie Van. Mr. Perone is the only posting on his topics but to create the impression that others are in with him, he posts under his multiple pen names talking to himself. Poor lonely loser. First, notice the amount of posts by this guy about the same topic. Posting on Mr. Scott Sonnon must be John Perone's MAIN interest in life. The best is the date January 19, a Saturday night. Note how many posts this guy put up on a Saturday night, having conversations with his socially rejected self. The guy should be a poster child for having no life. Now if this guy were a 13-year old that might be understandable, but he is an adult.

I have heard rumors about this guy John Perone, from many sources which want to remain anonymous. Apparently, John Perone has many enemies who are all e-mailing me with dirt on him. Mr. Perone was banned from MMA.com for attacking Scott Sonnon but kept on returning the same day close to ten times, posting attacks and getting banned with all his alter egos. Apparently, this no-life loser spent his whole day attacking Scott Sonnon. I also hear that Perone fixated on a picture of a bare-chested Sonnon. Rumors have it that he then posted fabricated homosexual innuendo about Sonnon in a mass e-mail and on defend.net. A psychologist friend of mine states that this is an example of projection, that is Perone projecting his own fears and feeling upon Sonnon. In his own posts, Perone is very angry when Sonnon has a girlfriend. Judge for yourself. I hope these nasty rumors about Perone are not true, I don't know...

[Jock]

OH MY



There are some real strange 'going-ons' at rec.martial-arts
Jeff Deibner has created a controversy, even replied to it from the same IP as a different "person", and is on a rage which is not clear to anyone involved, after all he has claimed to have no vested interest in any of this. Clearly he has no life.


Jock

[HerefordJJ]

John Perone's come to advertise for his trolling on other forums, and look no charge!