Karate or ju jitsu

[Karlinhos]

Originally posted by JaredExtreme
Not to mention he's a sponge !

AND pourous too!

[SweepEm]

Re: Re: Which one to chose?

Originally posted by Karlinhos
no, no... mind me AND fear me!

Who is going to be afraid of a cheesehead?

[mushinmaster]

Originally posted by boom916718
Or how about the 8-ball reverse punch or the Pool Stick Groin Kick? Both deadly I tell ya!

Point exactly. You've never seen it, don't know anything about it, yet you're knocking it. I laughed when I was introduced to it, but I'm not laughing now. No deadly ancient Okinawan secrets, this technique was developed very recently, based on science.

...and obviously, you've never seen good fighting karate

Not all karate is bad.

[Qkfx]

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I would say don't waste your time with either one. instead buy a small Okinawan hand drum and learn the rythm...become one with the drum. If you do and that's a big IF...then NO CAN DEFEND!

[boom916718]

Mr. Miyagi

"...then NO CAN DEFEND!"

LOL Qkfx

I think you mean to say ...."then no can Defense!"- Mr. Miyagi(Karate Kid 2)

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[Qkfx]

you are correct sir.

[Bau]

oh mannnn.... that was the BEST(worst) finishing move ever!!!

LOL!!!!

oh yeah they were showing the next Karate kid ( the one with the girl) on t.v the other day.... she kicks Daniel san's ass....

[McLeod]

This is the basis of any argument on BJJ/Karate.

Karate is commercialized. As a result, people are in it to make money and as such cannot allow people to come into the school and get hurt. they water down the arts, don't spar with a KO or TKO in mind, and don't cross train in wrestling because it isn't commercially "desired" by most. there are ENDLESS Karate/TaeKwondo/Kung Fu schools around, and 99 percent of them do not have a black belt in the school who could honestly defend themselves against a seasoned BJJ/ MMA fighter. This is because of the following:

BJJ schools are more realistic in their training because the way you roll is in many ways the way you would use the art in self defense. It has yet to be commercialized (I stress yet) and as such isn't found everywhere. The lack of school that offer it allows for a higher student rationw hile still keeping training as "hardcore" as it has always been.

BJJ translates well (and is even better if cross trained with a striking art like boxing) to defense while Karate often translates to having never actually taken a full force punch or tackle in years of training.

[boom916718]

Well said McLeod....as the saying goes, "You fight like you train, train as you would fight" BJJ/MMA systems allow you to do that, but remember that even the traditional martial arts can be used by the average joe for self-defense.

For example, people criticize those who include KATA in their training and say why waste your time? The reality is that within those kata are applications or "bunkai" which can easily be converted to self-defense applications. Of course a person isn't going to use the whole kata or even move like that in the street. But, the idea is to use a few simple techniques that give you those precious seconds to get away.

Karate, IMHO, is not designed for a drawn out fight. If a small man or woman can use a technique from karate or any other traditional martial art to save their life, then I would say it definitely has value. If you are talking in a comparative sense, then I believe that BJJ and MMA reign supreme(ultimately, of course, it all comes down to the individual).

Don't get me wrong..I am a big proponent of BJJ/MMA and I agree with you, but people need to keep their mind open and realize the value of all the martial arts out there. People get so caught up in the debate that they overlook the whole purpose of all the arts...to keep you safe and alive. Good luck all!

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[mushinmaster]

What was said by McLeod is absolutly true. Most karate schools out there are trash! However, there is some good stuff out there. If you were to look at good fighting karate, your opinion would change, drasically.

My sensei has the most unique training I have ever seen. We spend about a half hour on the bags (banana bags) every night, usually doing 1min rounds of non-stop combos, with 30secs of pushups in between. Some nights we do 3 min on the bags, nonstop combos, then 1 minute of pushups. It is harder than any boxing class I have ever taken. He mixes a lot of Muay Thai in with the karate, making for some lethal shit.

After this workout, we usually do some sabaki/thai body movement drills, were we use either the bag of a partner and focus on moving around to the opponent's blind spots while implementing strikes.

Everything we do is performed full-contact, even when your partner is behind the pads. If you seem to be faltering during training, sensei will hit you with his shinai, which is a bamboo stick, or he'll just hit you with a thai kick to the thai.

We spend time stick fighting and work on a little ground fighting every one in a while.

The real kewl part is in the impact. We spend hours upon hours learning how to hit devastatingly hard. The best example I can give you is with the thai kick. We use the same principles in every technique we perform, and we spend months on each technique, ensuring we are using out bodies fully to create the most impact possible.

To develop power we have these small white hard foam pads. You place the pad direclty over your chest and take blows from reverse punches, straight leads, round kicks, front kicks, side kicks, knee strikes, elbow strikes, and even the two-bar-stool punch. The pads don't crumple at all, and transfer a good portion of the blow right through. These pads make it easy to tell if you're hitting with a little fast thwack or the kind of jarring thump that gives you a headache.

Some guys there punch so hard, it feels like your chest is breaking under the pads. The sensei has had loads of people come through his workout and flat out fail. From body builders to boxers, they usually end up on their knees by the end of the first work out.

I have never met anybody, boxer or anything, that hits harder than one who has been training there for years. A punch there, from an experience fighters, has the impact of most fighter's front or side kick.

Other examples of good karate are kyokushin - Mas. Oyama's karate, and good shukokai fighters, many of whom fight full-contact bare-knuckle. The key is to look through the bs, and there's a lot of it. When you stay with the source, almost any martial art is deadly.

[mushinmaster]

OH YEAH - I train for free. Rank means squat. We train, not squabble over crap like that. And my teacher likes to be called either sensei or george. No grandmaster crap or anything like that. He does whatever the hell he wants, the head cheese. No politics, no tournament crap, no bs, and I've never done a kata with him.

Here's some fighting karate for ya http://www.shidokan.com/