Would you volountarely go to the ground on the streets?

[Bushido]

Just curious...


-Bushido

[redeagle]

I can not for see a reason why I would voluntarily go to the ground. What did you have in mind?

[Bushido]

Personnaly, I think the clinch is a good and safe place to be (istead of exchanging strikes), but going to the ground during a street altercation is risky I think.

I just wanted to know if bjj people would try to keep it standing or bring it to the ground.

-Bushido

[MrPoopy]

going to the ground

If I could get the guy down and get a mount or knee on stomach, I would go for it. But I wouldn't pull him down into my guard or anything like that. My class just recently started training without gi's for the summertime and its really hard to get anything from the guard.

[Guest]

Depends on the circumstances.

If, for example, he is obviously a good kick boxer, and there is no one else about, then I would take him down.

To say you either never would, or always would, is hardly a flexible approach.

[Bushido]

Absolutely right! I hear wisdom your words. Got to go with the flow...

-Bushido

[Guest]

Mr Poopy - training without a Gi has its advantages. I do both regularly. Keep at it, you'll get better. I find the Guard still pretty effective, you've just got to hook grip the neck and/or grip his wrists or elbows. And, don't forget, he can't grip YOUR gi if you ain't wearing one.

Bushido - thanks.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Bri... you're a pansy-assed tea-drinkin' crumpit-snackin' pint-swillin' sissy, but I would have totally agree with your statements.


Confuciuskiewicz say:

It all depends.

I have heard the very valid argument that you 'never' want to 'voluntarily' go to the ground. And the statement was made by several very skilled and very experienced artists.

HOWEVER, I can think of a few times where I would go to the ground:

1) in a crowded place, especially if you are smaller, you can navigate a crowd very well on the ground to escape.

2) On a narrow surface (foot bridge, building precipice, or any place where the footing is unstable. If you have 4 or 5 points of contact you are much more stable than with just two.

3) To avoid being thrown or locked you may roll or drop on your own. The argument against this is that once the lock is set, it may not facilitate an escape, HOWEVER, it may prevent the lock or throw from being executed in the first place.

There are more, as I formulate some arguments, I will post them.

Now, as my esteemed collegues have pointed out, there are many, many reasons NOT to go to the ground.

1) If you are outnumbered, and odds are, in a self-defense situation, your adversary ALWAYS has backup. 1 on 1 on the ground is ok, 2 or 3 on one on the ground is very difficult.

2) Going grappling immediately and always in a self defense situation is an unwise choice. In the clinch you may control me, and may rain knees and elbows galore, however, all I need is 5 seconds to pull my 2 inch pocket knife and your intestines will be slapping against your kneecaps.

Each situation is different, there are no answers that are universal. Personally, I want to avoid trouble, but when I go looking for it, I certainly want to be prepared.

But, of course, this is all conjecture and litany.....

SZ

[Guest]

There is no such thing as a "pint swilling sissy". Only real men drink pints. Sissy's have half pints.

Anyway, what can I get you? Half a pint of shandy?

[Szczepankiewicz]

"You pompous, stuck-up, snot-nosed, English, giant, twerp, scumbag, BLEEP-face, BLEEPhead, BLEEPhole."


I hereby challenge you to a duel on the mats! ....at Roy's Basement Dojo.

You'll be needing many pints to deal with the thrashing you will be getting!!!


PS. What the heck is a Shandy?



SZ

[Guest]

"I hereby challenge you to a duel on the mats! ....at Roy's Basement Dojo."

Is that your way of asking me out? Let Roy do this to ya! I ain't interested!

Anyway, true friend, a "shandy" is a half and half mix of beer and lemonade. Funnily enbough, I actually quite like it! Oh dear, what does that say about me?

[Bushido]

These guys are nuts! lol



-Bushido

[kluten]

crazy

well don' know what to say, he he.

but for the shady drinking brit or or the just straight trough brit hating twarp. As vi say in norway---- dere er klin sprø begge to.

please don't challange me, becouse i don't have the money to fly to this Roy's Basement Dojo.

well keep on drinkin tea and shady.

[Flash]

I would only voluntarily go to the ground on the streets if I were hit on the head really, really hard.

[kluten]

thaa

well the truth is you don't need to be hit very hard in the head before the ground hits you.

i think i'll rather go to the ground than have a endless fight. it is easier to calm a person down with a choke or a lock. than throwing punch.