Bjj isn't that good..

[Angry Hamster]

Okay, before I start, I would like to say, in no ways am I trying to offend someone, and I am not going to insult BJJ, I am simply going to ask about it..

On these forums, so many of you say that BJJ is good for self defense and blah blah.. while you insult many other more traditional arts. Yet, how good is BJJ really? Nowadays on the street, a lot of people are wusses so they attack in groups of at least two. If you do a stand up fighting art, you still have a chance against up to three people... My friends have gotten into a fight a few times before, all of which where they were attakced by two or three, and they have gotten out alive. Now if you were to use BJJ well.... So how good is it really..?

Another thing is that, you guys all say "if ____ art is so good, then why don't they go to the NHB tourney and kick butt?" Well.. A lot of people aren't interested in tournaments, they simply want to learn self defense, become a good fighter, a better person.. Not everyone is out there to gain fame or recognition. And just about every one of you seem to judge A WHOLE art by watching how one group of people practice it. That's like watching one BJJ guy.. and if he sucked you decide that the whole art sucked. That's not right is it?

Plus, on the mat you could be rolling around but how about on the cement, where there could be sharp rocks, glass, etc. and is it really true that 90 percent of streetfights end up on the ground? In my life I have seen about 18 fights, right in front of my eyes, and only one ended up on the ground...

But I understand BJJ is a good art. I know BJJ guys that can beat me, and I have beaten many BJJ guys also. I am not claiming the art sucks, simply stating that perhaps it's not as effective on the streets as all of you claim it is, but I really don't know, that's why I posted this.

Anyway, please reply with whatever you got to say. If you disagree, please give your reason why. Thanks!

[Fighter]

Good

Good thread!

First. BJJ is effective in ground fighting skills and is effective for NHB tournaments because a good BJJ guy can easlily control someone on the ground.

But as you said it is definatley not effective against a group of people. If you tried to use BJJ in a fight against more than 1 gut youd be killed.

As for my statement of 90% of fights going to the ground Im only saying that because I read it in a book. Also I compete in organised streetfights and I can say most of them have gone to the ground one way or another.

I try not to say one style is better than another because every fighter is different and can apply different arts better that others.

Hope this helps,

[nasigoreng]

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The starter of this thread was correct when he said fights usually involve more than just 2 participants. People (smart people rather) aren't going to committ to violence unless they know they can win. So they're going to 'cheat' by attacking w/ partners or weapons or ambush.

The marketing of BJJ is pure genius. People see BJJ wipe the floor w/ other arts in tournaments and it convinces them that BJJ is unbeatable. but.... a real fight won't look like those tournaments (time limits, months of preparation and training, no strikes to the groin, throat, eyes = the meat and potatoes of self-defense).

The growth of BJJ in the past 10 years has been phenomenal but do BJJ practitioners have a false sense of security?
Maybe they think " I study the same martial art as R. Gracie. He is a very dangerous fighter (i saw it on TV- it must be true!) so studying BJJ makes me a very dangerous person." So after they tap out every other student in the dojo they start a fight in a bar and get their head stomped in.

No thanks, I'll stick with my eye jabs, throat strikes and groin strikes. It's not very flashy but I'm quite sure it will work (i saw it on tv)

[GrdStorm]

MIX IT UP

Take some Muay Thai/Boxing/JKD/WC whatever u want for striking and some ground work!!!


Against multiple opponents striking is ESSENTIAL.

Against ONE big bad mother, good grappling skills would come in handy because he'll most likely take u down for a *ground n' pound* type of deal.

[JaredExtreme]

Blah Blah Blah. Of course BJJ doesn't work against multiple opponents and there's no one here that will claim BJJ is the best MA ever.

However I think you forgot one important fact:

BRAZILIAN JIU-JITSU DOMINATES THE GROUND !!

So people can train all the striking and self-defense they want, but the bottom line is that if a fight goes to the ground, BJJ is your best bet.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Here's the deal.

BJJ is a very functional ground art that can save your life if you end up there. However you need to address as much as you can in self-defense and get good at it. So you need to cross train in a functional striking art, a functional weapons art, you've got to train and experience first strike scenarios, adrenaline dump managment, multiple opponents sparring, OC tactics, firearms, etc.

Not all fights go to the ground, but a good number of them can depending on grappling skill, terrain, etc.

Not all fights are multiple opponents either. That is just as incorrect as saying 90% go to the ground. There are plenty of fights that can stay one on one. Fighting can happen anywhere, and it's not always with gun-toting gang bangers. You can get into a fight at work, in McDonald's, an angry motorist on a deserted road, etc. You never know.

The era of the "unbeatable" BJJ man is over. People see that you have to be well rounded. However BJJ is still a major factor in a fighter's ground arsenal. In standing it might be boxing, Muay Thai or Savate.

Grappling on pavement is not this horrible torture either. Plus, if you're good at grappling and your opponent isn't, HE will be rolling on all the glass, bottles, etc. Not you.

Ryu

[Fighter]

Bravo!

Excellant post Ryu you pretty much summed it up in one.

Post a new thread on Savate please....I am interested in learning some stuff about savate.