Problems - FATMAN

[IhaveOwneth]

Okay, theres this fat guy. like 190 lbs, hes 15 yrs old, im turning 16 real soon. Our problems started when this little guy came up to him (and because the fat guy is unpopular) he hit him across the foot tripping him. Then this fat guy, 5'8 - 190lbs attacks someone like 5'3 110 lbs. This short guy is really popular (not doing it for the fame) and the fat guy is really unpopular, making it okay to help the little guy out without ruining my rep.

Im 6'0 and 165 lbs, I've been working out 5 days a week for 9 weeks. I was in Taekwondo for 3 years and have the ability to kick higher than my self. I am now in the wrestling team also giving me an edge if or after were both on the ground. So then this Fatguy just starts kicking and shoving himself at this little guy. So I just jump and use both legs to diliver a blow to the back and head. (I think this is called a drop kick) To me, fighting is fun. I knew there was other ways to get his attention becides cocky. Having other people watch, I go for the flashy move. I then get the guys attention and I quickly get to my feet. Then he just starts lobbing kicks and punches to me. I try everything I know, but hes just too fat to get knocked down, I punched, I kicked, high and low but he just wont stop. They arent phasing me though. But im scared because all I see is LARD. So then I went for the tactical menoveur and locked him in a full nelson. I try to come to reason with him, but he just keeps struggling. I then start to raise his body from the full nelson hold. But having this guy weigh 190lbs I couldn't hold him anymore so I let go. He then just tackles me. But I struggle out of it before he could get to a standing position. And when we were face to face I noticed he was bleeding from everywhere. He then tackles me again, he is unable to cool down. Then he is punching my body. Before he could do anything else some people come by and tear him off of me.

I know he will be back. What should I do? I just want to get him off of his feet, just repeditvely put him on the floor without him getting hurt.

[Kamatara]

woa, thats one fat fat kid. I'm 6'1 and 230 and im 15 also; cept its not all lard . If I were matching up to a guy your size my shear size would be overwhelming for you, 1 good cross and your out. Dont try to match this guy punch for punch, he'll always out punch you just because of his size. Hmmm, lemme see, ur tkd right? (a.k.a. flashy kick guy). I wouldn't recommend the flashy spinning crap kicks on this guy to the mid section, either go for his head or shins/thighs, a strong thigh kick will have this guy down for sure even with his "lard". If all else fails head for the groin, 1 kick to the groin will have this guy on the ground crying for his mommy (at that time I'd recommend following up with some grappling; a.k.a. chokes/arm bars/leg locks.). If you just want to teach him a lesson and not hurt him too much, just give him a kick to the groin, it'll humiliate him and he'll be out, trust me.
Hope this helps.

[MrPoopy]

You'd think 3 years of TKD would be enough to take out the average guy. But then again, I've never studied TKD.

[Ice Phoenix]

If you knew BJJ I'd recommend taking the fuc-ker down with any takedown you're good at and choke him out with a carotid/non-windpipe choke! Since you're a wrestler, do the same but I don't know what finishes wrestling teaches you?

If you're not confident with takedowns, the usual methods might do, such as groin kicks and any vital point or throat strikes you may have learned from TKD!

What do you know? That's what it really comes down to!

[kenpo-power]

Sounds like you and the little dude are bullies. Did you attack the bigger guy because he was unpopular, or because you needed to help out a fellow bully who started a fight he couldn't handle? By your description of the fight, you could have easily got your ass handed to you if the fight wasn't broken up. You under-estimated this kid because of his appearance and were quite surprised when he didn't fall down when you delivered your best shots.

If you are out just to humiliate this kid, put yourself in his shoes. It is this kind of bullshit that makes kids shoot other kids in school.

[doubleouch]

I agree. It sounds like you did not make the wisest decision. It sounds like you were trying to impress your friends. If you are trying to impress your friends by beating up this guy then you are not using your TKD skills with the integrity with which they were taught to you. I studied TKD for years and my instructor would have kicked me out on my ass if I told him I did what you did. You need to re-examine your motives and find a more peaceful way out of this situation. If you really like to fight you should look into NHB type competition where both people are willing participants. What you are describing is assault. At 18 yrs old that will wind you up in jail. Keep your fighting in MA class where it belongs!

[kid lock]

Yeah, if he knows you don't hit harder than him he'll take most chances and swing like there's no tomorrow. But thats a normal streetfight, similar to the one you had. Go for a takedown if you get a chance. I would first recommend a single leg because he's "fatter", more unbalanced, and it would be easier than a double leg. Although a double takedown would let you drop him right on his back. If it gets into a sloppy exchange atleast go for the jaw. Depending on how it lands it only takes one!

[Biker]

I'd have to say that next time you should just let the little guy get what is coming to him. That will happen anyway, sooner or later. If he can not handle the fight he picked tough crap for him, next time he'll pick on someone his own size.

Just remember, the unpopular guy has nothing to lose by jumping you or your little buddy when you least expect it. If you really want to prove your manliness, swallow your pride and apologize to the guy.

[Guest]

I strongly echoe the above.

[Bau13]

I hope the fat guy kicks both your asses....

Both of you "cool" guys deserve it....

seriously... say sorry to him man...
forget about this high school pride bull shit...
you helped out the asshole to boost your rep???
I know youre only 15 but grow up!...

He may have bled but he gave you a hell of a fight... sounds like hes more of a game fighter than both of you guys put together...
Lucky you had people there to stop the fight ....

Yeah I agree with kenpo power.... this is exactly the kind of stupid shit that makes high school kids shoot each other....

glad I didn't go to a high school where your "reps" were more important than anything else

really man... swallow your pride.....appologise to him.... then maybe ask him to join the wrestling team!....he seemed to have NO problem taking you down!

[terry]

It sounds like there is a question as to whether you had the privilege, at law, to intervene. There is also a question as to whether your use of force was reasonable, which, from your own statements, it probably was not. I believe I would refer this matter to the local district attorney for further investigation.

It is quite possible a judge would opt to try you as an adult. If in a pre-trial conference the district attorney and/or the judge feel your actions were not reasonable you could be tried for several crimes including battery, child endangerment and possibly assault with a deadly weapon. In all likelihood you would face a highly conservative jury that would not hesitate to have you spend at least 6 months in a corrections institution and an additional three years probation. And, oh, by the way, even a successful criminal defense would entail thousands in legal fees, paid no doubt by your parents. You could also wind up with a criminal record that would follow you throughout your life and close many doors. In addition, you could be the subject of a follow-on civil action for damages of medical expenses, pain and suffering sustained by the victim. The total bill in term of time, money and stress could be very high.

But, in the event you did land yourself in a correctional facility, your parents' money would be the least of your concerns. Your primary concern would be to avoid getting gang-raped on a regular basis.

In conclusion, based on the limited and partial information available I find your actions malicious, disgraceful and illegal. It is not unlikely that a district attorney would agree. I wonder what your instructor and your parents would say if they knew you committed such an act and then, on top of that, bragged about it. I suggest you THINK, boy, before you engage your ego again. And give some thought to what martial arts is all about.

Terry