Emin Boztepe is a joke

[Ryu (JKD?)]

ahh, don't take me so seriously.

[Thai Bri]

Hmmm, yes. Hmmmmmm.

Anyone else had a bad day?

[Ryu (JKD?)]

I second grandmaster Georgle Carlin's philosophy on fighting and challenges.

I think everyone in the world should challenge and fight everyone else. We should let everyone fight, bite, kick, stomp, punch, gouge, hit, butt, elbow, choke, submit, and pound everyone else into bloody stumps until there is only one champion left from the fray. The Ultimate Challenger!
Then the Ultimate Challenger should be taken to a high pedestal of gold, silver, and diamonds. We should place him an an altar of beauty and presitge, give him money, girls, and fast cars (because that's what we consider the measures of success), push him up so that he towers above all others, give him our praise, ....and then shoot him in the fucking head.

[Michael Maison]

To everyone here: if you are so strong and hard, why don't you go to see Emin and fight with him? Why you post insults and act tough? You just talk......If you doubt the Wing Chun style, you should go to a seminar (a serious one, please, with real masters!) and just try. I think in martial arts there sould not be stupid things like that, insults and people saying "I can do better", "this style is shit" and so on. Instead of talking, do! Emin and William Cheung don't even care about people like that, who waste their time in posting stupid comments and fake threats......

Yea, but if you take one or two of these lads bravado, you're missing the "essence" of these posters. I.e. Emin is an asshole, and so are most of the haughty arrogant followers of him. If GM Cheung didn't have his back turned, he likely would turn him to ashes. The stupid followers (and they are stupid indeed) don't acknowledge that. Some idiot from Detroit detroitwingchun as well as others continue to flaunt this.......when they really should be embarrased.

M

[bartjam]

Although I think Boztepe wouldn't be easy to handle for anyone, I agree that the majority of WC/WT practiotioners are just foolishly deluded when they think to be able to defeat good grapplers with just "fingers in their eyes"...
I know a ridiculous female WC instructor here, who has never had a fight, but who still pontificates on how to beat this and that fighter....

What I know for sure, however, is that Boztepe and his closest students do learn grappling (also with Machado bros. from time to time). So he's well aware of the necessity to be all rounded fighters. He doesn't tell it (yet) publicly because for business reasons you must sell the illusion that just doing chi-sau, lat-sau and some chain-punching you can defeat any attacker. I know that, as I also studied WT under Boztepe's EBMAS.

[Mr. Gordo]

I can't believe this thread has gone on so long! I mean, I've studied Wing Chun for over 10 years (please don't say "Well, you don't know Wing Tsun man!" Chun or Tsun, most of it's the same old sh!t.) I've also cross trained in JKD and BJJ, and Emin's "anti-grappling" stuff is ridiculous. Also silly is the argument that NHB matches don't allow for "street" rules like eye strikes. It's B.S. too...I mean if you think you can just "eye strike" any old grappler then trust me, they're thinking "I'm just gonna shield till I get my hands on his head and twist." I think most savvier martial artists will agree on two things:

1. Learning one martial art isn't enough to be well rounded.

2. Emin Boztepe is a ridiculous person.



Mr. Gordo

[DJColdfusion]

I never heard the story about a fighter, or two, spitting in his face.

Remco and Bas essentially told Boztepe to keep his bull sh*t challenges to himself. Bas did it in person, Remco did it by speaking publicly about the situation.

One of Boztepe's big "problems" was his claim that the UFC was fixed. He actually, and publicly, called the fighters fakes. Bas, as a former UFC champ, and Remco, a UFC veteran (who fight Royce and who I think would be an even better fit in today's UFC picture) obviously took offense to Boztepe's accusations.

[Tee Sok]

http://www.wingtsun.nl/NWTO1-02.htm

The article can be found here, just above Schaefer's pic with Leung Ting and Kernspecht.

[Tee Sok]

Remco didn't actually visit, his leg was broken at the time; however, Bas supposedly did. Remco told the story a year or so ago on the sherdog forum. He has a very low opinion of Boztepe and Boztepe's claims in general.

I read that Frank Schaefer, the EWTO instructor fot Holland, denied on his website that some "hardcore" dutch fighters went to challenge Boztepe and forced him on his knees and spat on his face...saying that it was "a fairy tale". And lots of people still believe that...I just say this to show you how real the Boztepe challenges are, that's all.

[avelocci]

it's actually amazing how people continue to get excited by Boztepe/Cheung and Boztepe/Gracies "incidents".

Actually, if you want a serious practical self-defense method, you should check Geoff Thompson's stuff or Senshido. If you want to learn to fight for prize fighting, you should check Muay Thai and BJJ first. Too many wankers in WT world...

LOL The use of the word "wanker" is what sold you in that post huh, Bri? I'm JJ.

[DJColdfusion]

Remco didn't actually visit, his leg was broken at the time; however, Bas supposedly did. Remco told the story a year or so ago on the sherdog forum. He has a very low opinion of Boztepe and Boztepe's claims in general.

[bartjam]

@ DJ Coldfusion

I read something in the past about the "Rutten incident" and the "Pardoel incident"...
To be fair, I don't know exactly what happened before the two dutch fighters paid Emin a visit. I mean, I don't know whether it was, in both case, really a misunderstanding to be resolved by talking. What is sure, however, is that in this last 10 years Boztepe has never fought -as far as I know- against tough fighters. But maybe I missed that....

[Tee Sok]

Tee Sok,

to answer this last question first: FBI, Seals, GSG-9 (germany) and other corps have tried Boztepe, Vunak, Rickson, plus other well known fighters and/or instructors. None of these elite (or also non-elite) corps has adopted just one system as the "official" one (there are those who claim so, in order to attract people to their schools).
Boztepe can fight. But as I wrote before: 1. in his EBMAS schools you hardly fight, and even "hard" sessions where you put your skills under pressure are very rare (I experienced it for about 2 years so I think I can speak of it); 2. at time, when he was not a WT technician, but he trained also Wrestling and Boxing. So, that's hardly a proof for his WT efficiency.

Oh, and a third point: he, and his senior students, study BJJ under Machado brothers. So, that's a novelty since some years ago he claimed that WT didn't need any integration...

Yes I knew that these elite corps asked other instructors to teach them (especially Vunak), I just wanted to point out that if they requested his teaching there must be a reason. And I didn't know that he studies under the Machado brothers! Well, I guess he realized that it's not the martial art itself that makes the difference, but the martial artist. I think Emin has understood that this tough behaviour leads nowhere and has grown beyond that...also because he left Kernspecht!

[DJColdfusion]

Boztepe is full of sh*t

Emin has made open challenges in the past and failed to follow through when confronted. His claim to being the greatest fighter alive while insulting MMA as a sport, and the fighters that the sport produces, has gotten him into hot water on multiple occasions.

Both Bas Rutten and Remco Pardoel have accepted Boztepe's challenge and had Boztepe tuck tail and run. Ruttens answer to Boztepe's challenge was to Boztepe's face. Boztepe claimed that there had been "a misunderstanding" and wanted to have coffee with Rutten to "work it out."

Boztepe is a weak a$% b*t@h and needs to be recognized as such.

[bartjam]

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And I have a question: if Emin's system is really no good, why would the FBI and the marines request his teaching?

Tee Sok,

to answer this last question first: FBI, Seals, GSG-9 (germany) and other corps have tried Boztepe, Vunak, Rickson, plus other well known fighters and/or instructors. None of these elite (or also non-elite) corps has adopted just one system as the "official" one (there are those who claim so, in order to attract people to their schools).
Boztepe can fight. But as I wrote before: 1. in his EBMAS schools you hardly fight, and even "hard" sessions where you put your skills under pressure are very rare (I experienced it for about 2 years so I think I can speak of it); 2. This aura of "invincibility" is very suspect, as the only Boztepe's real fight to be watched is the one against Cheung.
Emin claims to have fought more than 300 real fights with no loss. Great. Any proof? He worked as a bouncer for more than one year as he was about 20 years old. So probably he had a considerable amount of fights during that time, when he was not a WT technician, but he trained also Wrestling and Boxing. So, that's hardly a proof for his WT efficiency.

Oh, and a third point: he, and his senior students, study BJJ under Machado brothers. So, that's a novelty since some years ago he claimed that WT didn't need any integration...