Emin Boztepe is a joke

[Thai Bri]

2007...........

[DickHardman]

when is the Emin Boztep 2007 Carribeann Cruise supposed to happen?

[Garland]

Emin is talented, but not thee best anything in the Wing Chun world. He'll tell you that without hesitation. And the easiest way to find out if he's a joke is to go fight him yourself. I am POSITIVE that the peanut gallery that is making comments about him have not ever tried to approach him man to man and repeat the same internet tough talk in person.

What would confirm Emin being a joke faster? Debating endlessly about some clip on the internet or going to the man himself and slap him in the face? I can almost hear the excuses now...

"I can't do that, it goes against my code."

"Adults don't do childish things like that." (even though they'll spend endless hours attacking the man's character and ability)

"He's in Europe." Well, he's in NY/NJ frequently. He travels around major cities around the globe. Isn't kicking his ass worth the trip? The bragging rights alone would be tremendous.

....I'm a scrawny, out of shape...out-of-training, little punk...

but I put my money on Brewer!
YOU GO BREWER!!!
WHOOOOO HAAAAA!!!!!

(lol.)

[Uke]

I've really been trying hard to be more constructive and less insulting, but I couldn't leave this alone. Even though the fight was 26 years ago, weren't these two "fighters" still considered to be two of the best in the Wing Chun world?

I also find it utterly hysterical that you'd say that anything people watch on the internet is "rubbish." As if there's some other wing chun that no one has ever taped? Why is it that some folks can't live without dismissing everything anyone else says or does as if they themselves are the only "real authority" on the subject? Isn't that what you're saying when you say everything anyone else watches is rubbish? I'd be willing to bet that Bruce Lee (who never called himself a Master of anything) would have beaten the living snot out of ol' Emin - especially having watched the fight in question! Did it ever occur to you that maybe Bruce Lee wandered away from Wing Chun because he -- gulp -- found a better way of fighting?

Emin is talented, but not thee best anything in the Wing Chun world. He'll tell you that without hesitation. And the easiest way to find out if he's a joke is to go fight him yourself. I am POSITIVE that the peanut gallery that is making comments about him have not ever tried to approach him man to man and repeat the same internet tough talk in person.

What would confirm Emin being a joke faster? Debating endlessly about some clip on the internet or going to the man himself and slap him in the face? I can almost hear the excuses now...

"I can't do that, it goes against my code."

"Adults don't do childish things like that." (even though they'll spend endless hours attacking the man's character and ability)

"He's in Europe." Well, he's in NY/NJ frequently. He travels around major cities around the globe. Isn't kicking his ass worth the trip? The bragging rights alone would be tremendous.

[Thai Bri]

Sorry, it was a bit stupid responding twice, but it was a mistake due the fact that i dont spend my life playing on the internet pretending to be the hard man.

almost 5000 replies Thai Bri, you must find it hard to make time to train?

Thanks for the welcome to the blog, first one i have every tried to take part in.

Have fun spending the night in, writing abusive responses to people.

Any time, you eedjut head.

[DJColdfusion]

(read this second -->> ) Please don’t look at all the rubbish examples on the Internet, its embarrassing that these people call their style wing chun. This is not what good wing chun is like, and I cringe and laugh at them along with you. Many of the earlier students didn’t finish their training and then went on to teach across the world, this is why so much crap, useless wing chun is out there. A good example is Bruce Lee, who only trained for two and bit years before calling himself “master”

(Read this first -->>> )But remember only the ignorant mock. Train hard.

Things that make you go HMMMMM . . . . . .

[SPB]

Sorry, it was a bit stupid responding twice, but it was a mistake due the fact that i dont spend my life playing on the internet pretending to be the hard man.

almost 5000 replies Thai Bri, you must find it hard to make time to train?

Thanks for the welcome to the blog, first one i have every tried to take part in.

Have fun spending the night in, writing abusive responses to people.

[Thai Bri]

That's easy for you to say..........

Isn't it great to say everything twice? It#s like devoting years to an art in the hope that it will turn out to be good.....and then, after having devoted so much time and energy to it... deciding that is was good all along.

You're not just a troll. You're a stoooopid one!

Haw haw haw!

[Thai Bri]

That's easy for you to say.

[SPB]

Yes that fight 26 years ago wasn’t that spectacular, but it’s sad that you base your understanding of Wing Chun on this debacle. Having trained in kickboxing for 18 years I decided to start training in Wing Chun, but I waited for a few years until I understood the system to make a judgement, unlike some.

Just to clarify a couple of things:

1. Wing Chun is not a sport, it’s a pure fighting art.
2. Real fights have very little finesse or “technique” they are nasty, scrappy and tend to end very quickly.

Please don’t look at all the rubbish examples on the Internet, its embarrassing that these people call their style wing chun. This is not what good wing chun is like, and I cringe and laugh at them along with you. Many of the earlier students didn’t finish their training and then went on to teach across the world, this is why so much crap, useless wing chun is out there. A good example is Bruce Lee, who only trained for two and bit years before calling himself “master”

But remember only the ignorant mock. Train hard.

[SPB]

Yes that fight 26 years ago wasn’t that spectacular, but it’s sad that you base your understanding of Wing Chun on this debacle. Having trained in kickboxing for 18 years I decided to start training in Wing Chun, but I waited for a few years until I understood the system to make a judgement, unlike some.

Just to clarify a couple of things:

1. Wing Chun is not a sport, it’s a pure fighting art.
2. Real fights have very little finesse or “technique” they are nasty, scrappy and tend to end very quickly.

Please don’t look at all the rubbish examples on the Internet, its embarrassing that these people call their style wing chun. This is not what good wing chun is like, and I cringe and laugh at them along with you. Many of the earlier students didn’t finish their training and then went on to teach across the world, this is why so much crap, useless wing chun is out there. A good example is Bruce Lee, who only trained for two and bit years before calling himself “master”

But remember only the ignorant mock. Train hard.

[Thai Bri]

Paco.

I have no allegiance to either of these idiots, but Emin did not sneak up on anyone. At the time Cheungy was making all kinds of ridiculous claims that he was the only person taught "genuine" Wing Chun by Yip Man, and that everyone else had been taught a modified version.

He constantly issued challenges for people of any style to come and take him on.

Emin walked up to Cheung, showed him one of the magazine articles containing that challenge, and then offered to take him up on it there and then. Hardly sneaking up, is it?

They fought like idiots of course, with Boztepe clearly dominant, but no one hurt.

Afterwards Cheung blamed his slippers for being too slippery. At least hge shut up his stupid challenges.

It was only as time went on that more and morte excuses began to appear, many of them contradictory. They include:--

Cheung let Emin win on purpose, as there was an armed gang out of camera shot who may have hurt his followers had he not let him win.

Cheung actually "won", and the video clip has been editerd in a way that misleads people.

Cheung was jumped from behind.....

Etc.

Like I say, I have no allegiance to either of these, but I was following these events closely when they happened. I was into Wing Chun at the time and remember the whole episode well.

[Paco]

HERE IT IS:

THE ULTRA-SECRET EMIN BOZTEPE WING TSUN TECHNIQUES:

1- Against WC Masters: sneak up on them at a seminar with your cameraman close by, jump on them from the back like an untrained high school kid would do and POUNCE AWAY! Watch years of chi cultivation disappear as your school earnings magically grow!

2- "Anti-Grappling": take the baddest grapplers on the block and challenge them to a match. Ridicule the rules of the match saying it's fake- sh*t, UFC rules are kid's play to a Ving Tsun Wing Tzun master like you! When they answer your call, keep eluding them: that will tire them out by the time you proclaim victory and make moolah for your school by saying "they never laid a finger on me."

(I probably saved you guys more than $100 in videos!)

P.S. Why has this thread gone on for so long? Cuz it's true!

[WildWest.]

Here's that Boztepe Chueng fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szdF1nIAfpk

These guys are Masters??? This clip was utter shit. Where was the hunger? The aggression? The technique?

It was like watching two school girls have a wrestle.

[Motion]

I think if Emin had entered the UFC or Battlecade Extreme Fighting back in the 90's he would have had a similar experiance as another Wing Chung stylist,Steve Falkner,who was bodyslammed and submitted by that Sambo stylist Igor Zignovia in Extreme Fighting.