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Anyway, a real fight, with multiple opponents and it doesn’t go to the ground. (At least both parties don’t)
Nine out of ten street fights end up on the ground, man. That's not only a fact but a logical one.
Since we, humans, have only two legs to support us, it's kinda easy tripping into something or falling to the ground (specially when we are outpunching him and he just grabs our clothes. In fact, this Mike Valley guy has been too close to be dragged to the ground right before the other three guys seemed to regroup.
This was a good example of standup streetfighting (he never spent too much time with each asshole, keeping them at bay, where they couldn't be a threat), but let's not forget that going to the ground is the most likely thing to happen in a real fight.
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I don’t dispute the effectiveness nor the sometime necessity of ground fighting. I do think the “nine out of ten” thing is a HUGE exaggeration. And for something that is touted as “fact” I have yet to see a definitive source for the number (aside from the Gracie marketing hype).
In three years of bouncing I saw and was in a lot of fights. I went to the ground one time. I put a hip throw on a guy and followed him down with body on top riding him into the floor. Fight over. Most of the fights I have seen were decided by the first punch. The first guy to the ground is generally going down to get the shit kicked out of him. Not always, but frequently.
Sure, I’ll agree that 9 out of 10 drunks fall to the floor on their first swing. But drunken idiots aside I don’t think the number is anywhere near that high. Just my personal opinion based upon personal observation.
And no, I am not trying to dispute the effectiveness or necessity of ground fighting. It’s just that from what I have seen, the 9 out of 10 thing is a huge exaggeration.
The primary reason I posted this was because of the multiple opponent content. You CAN fight multiple opponents… as long as they lack commitment and are not expecting you to go. That IMO was the key to what happened in this video. He blitzed these guys with total commitment. They were pretty certain their numbers gave them an advantage and he wouldn’t do anything. They were surprised. They were blitzed and it shocked them. That IMO, is the lesson the video illustrates. (And yes, the guys he was fighting were probably very lame, slightly drunk etc. That is however the kind of idiots you get into something like this with most of the time...)
Later!
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Posted that fight on KFO a long time ago.
Actually a lot of the action does go into the clinch range, and the attacker does bring one of the guys down with a sloppy double leg attempt.
Much of that was to the shock of the 4 kids.... (not thugs). They really didn't expect a fight, and when he started throwing punches they all basically wanted to run for cover. None of those 4 wanted to fight .... you could see it. They started getting angrier at the end though, but at that time the fight was already broken up.
Those 4 kids were no match for that big guy. And I think it was the big guy who was the one wanting a fight..... not them. That mindset means a lot in a real situation.
Not all fights go to the ground. That's ridiculous.
Not all fights are on their feet. That's also ridiculous.
Being able to grapple is important. That kid who was thrown to the ground in that video might not have gotten down there if he had some good grappling knowledge. But fights are hard.
I'll tell you one thing though...
almost all fights I've seen.....whether they went to the ground or not....... CLINCHED at some point...
Ryu
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I agree with pretty much everything you just posted Ryu. The kid’s WERE the first ones to open their mouths and talk shit. They were also counting on their superior numbers shielding their bodies from the checks their mouths were writing. Their bluff was called. They were shocked as hell....
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Re: A REAL fight.
Originally posted by Mickey Finn
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Thanks for posting that. I concur that, from the evidence on the film, it appeared to be the lone guy causing all the trouble. Even if something else had happened before the film started, by the time it did it was clear that he was the only one really up for it.
And the film brings back the realisation of how untidy, frantic and messy a real fight is. There is no bowing, no stalking in pretty stances, no pacing yourself, no rules.
But that guy was full of mean attitude, and that is probably the most important ingredient to win.
EDIT - Looking again, though, see how he is retreating by the end of the fight? And see how one or two of the others are a little more ready to go for him? Perhaps our psycho friend was running out of gas, as that can happen incredibly quickly when you are full of so much tension. I think he is a little lucky that there was a peacemaker there.............
I reckon that the most important component of physical fitness for fighting is anaerobic conditioning. Far more so than strength or flexibility etc.
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In three years of bouncing I saw and was in a lot of fights. I went to the ground one time. I put a hip throw on a guy and followed him down with body on top riding him into the floor. Fight over. Most of the fights I have seen were decided by the first punch. The first guy to the ground is generally going down to get the shit kicked out of him. Not always, but frequently.
I have worked in the bouncing trade myself for a while too and, while I was never dragged to the floor, I have seen lots of fights that were ended as grappling affairs (or stomping and bottling, for that matter).
Sure, I’ll agree that 9 out of 10 drunks fall to the floor on their first swing. But drunken idiots aside I don’t think the number is anywhere near that high. Just my personal opinion based upon personal observation.
Don't get me wrong, man. I`m not trying to contradict your views on the subject and, perhaps, nine out of ten is too much an exaggeration. But, anyway, my experience tells me that most fights end up on the ground. It's what I have seen in my time but that doesn't mean that I'm right and the rest of the world is wrong.
And no, I am not trying to dispute the effectiveness or necessity of ground fighting. It’s just that from what I have seen, the 9 out of 10 thing is a huge exaggeration.
Well, as I previously stated, I agree with you. But, percentages aside, more than 3/4 of the fights I have been involved in or witnessed ended up on the ground (and I don't neccesarily mean they were one on one fights).
The primary reason I posted this was because of the multiple opponent content. You CAN fight multiple opponents… as long as they lack commitment and are not expecting you to go. That IMO was the key to what happened in this video. He blitzed these guys with total commitment. They were pretty certain their numbers gave them an advantage and he wouldn’t do anything. They were surprised. They were blitzed and it shocked them. That IMO, is the lesson the video illustrates. (And yes, the guys he was fighting were probably very lame, slightly drunk etc. That is however the kind of idiots you get into something like this with most of the time...)
Amen to that.
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But that guy was full of mean attitude, and that is probably the most important ingredient to win.
You're damn right, Bri Thai. I agree completely with you (smart minds think alike? Hehehe...).
I reckon that the most important component of physical fitness for fighting is anaerobic conditioning. Far more so than strength or flexibility etc.
If the fight is going to last more than a couple of minutes, then aerobic conditioning gets more and more relevance. One can't rely on muscle endurance alone, specially when facing multiple attackers (if there's any grappling involved, then it's a strenous effort). On the other hand, a marathon runner, who is extremely fit aerobically speaking, couldn't fight his ass out of a paper bag.
I guess one must keep some kinda balance between aerobic and anaerobic condition.
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Yippieeee! I came in late . . .
I guess one must keep some kinda balance between aerobic and anaerobic condition.
At the beginning of the fight, the others were fools not to pounce the big guy while he removed his shirt. They took too many chances for talking big. Whenever you know a fight is coming (as the doffing of the shirt signals), it's time to rock or run. Period.
Also, I like to note which arm my opponent wears his watch on. This is often a large predictor of which arm will be used to throw the first punch (though not flawless, it's usually the opposite arm). Also, the guy was removing his shirt on forward motion, which is asking for a stiff front kick to the gut or chest.
But none of this really matters, I guess, since only one guy wanted to fight.Last edited by Brokenmace; 10-20-2002, 06:48 PM.
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i can tell you this... that guy thats pushing the other guys.. knows he can f. uck em up ... if he was doing that to me and my homies... he would have got F.UCKED UP.. point blank.. no question. people especially street fighters know when your "b.itch made" will take advantage and get super brave on you. soon as he even gave us or me some static or what ever.. it would have been on.. he wouldn't do that to some thug looking fools.. but it's a hard world. and thugs can do that to squares folks.... lol which is great... lol
look how he fights! he fights with his head down.. that fool can get f.ucked up them other white dudes are just too scared... they pussies.. one can grab his leg and one can just keep punching.. they can take em.. they just dont know how to fight..
them fools are squares.. lol with big mouths..
lLast edited by crazyjoe380; 10-20-2002, 07:34 PM.
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He didn't gas. Watch closer. At the end of the tape you will see the guy in the hat and dark t-shirt come in. Check his right hand closely. He's holding a knife. That is what caused the guy (mike) to chill out. Look at it again and watch for it. He's lucky he didn't get shanked in the back when he clinched with the one guy. Someone who was intent on doing damage would have had him. The guy with the knife in this case is more intent on just making the other guy back down, he didn't really want to knife him.
CJ380
I can't hear you. Speak up.
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Yeah, not very impressive. The multiple opponents look like skinny highschool kids who didn't even want to fight. The skater guy shoved them 2 times and they still didn't retaliate.
Wow....he really proved himself.......
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