Favourite Defenses against "ground and pound"?

[clash]

I think youre being a little unfair, I did ask you to all to *try it and then* give me your opinions. I'm sure most of you have a sparring parner that would oblige.

It works and its not difficult, the move is swift and is preceeded by a poke to the eyes or finger thrust to the throat. It works partly due to the preceeding thrust/poke.

Yeah I'm a beginner but give me a chance and try it first.

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[Suzuki_Fanboy]

yea i guess maybe it would work if preceeded by a eye guage, but idk...still tough

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Here's the problem. Many of the posters on this forum have been rolling for a long time in arts like BJJ, judo, submission fighting, etc.

Many of us have rolled with beginners who try to do that kind of thing (people really try to "accidently" go for the eyes, etc.) It's very hard to "poke someone in the eye" when they are an experienced grappler because most of us are wise to it, have experienced it, and know how to move and counter those kinds of tricks.

Someone who has no grappling skill.... well yeah I'm sure it could possibly work. But if good grappling experience is put into the equation I highly doubt it will do more than make the grappler kind of angry.

Not trying to come down on you at all. Just posting experience on my part (and I'm sure on the part of other grapplers)

Ryu

[clash]

Good post Ryu. Thats the sort of helpful post beginners like myself are looking for in this forum. I'm a little surprised that there are'nt more members describing techniques that they use in this topic.

I sparred with someone yesterday who has a reputation for "going in hard" I managed to get my technique to work but it took 3 trys and I really had to whack him much harder than I have ever done in sparring before. The main difficulty was dealing with his speed, its made me see things in a new light. I learned a lot from sparring with him.

My worst fear is a scenario where someone is sitting on my back craking my coconut against the concrete. I realise the best thing to do is not get in that position in the first place but what would you do? Is it all over at that point or could you get out of it?

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[Ryu (JKD?)]

Well when someone takes your back in any grappling situation, the pressure and danger is on. It's "check" and soon to be "check mate" if you don't do something quick to get out of the position. If someone is simply "sitting" on your back you can simply get your knees underneath you and come out the back door or stand up (if he's not too heavy) Shrimping exercises will help in your ability to move on the ground with speed and agility, etc.
If he has his hooks in, you've got to defend your head and neck at the same time. Don't lie on your stomach, roll to your side or even to your back (placing his back on the ground now as he holds position) Use one arm to cover your neck and head, and use the other to quickly knock one of his "hooked" legs from your leg. Shrimp out and try to turn into him. You'll get put in his guard usually, but it's better then being choked out or pummelled.

If he's not a grappler, and he's sitting on your back about to wail on you I'd do one of two things...

First the stand up move I mentioned before (use your elbows to get some space, and pull your knees up into your chest... you should be in a turtle position... but be careful because this is still extremely dangerous. You've got to either stand up quickly, buck him off your back, go for a rolling knee bar, etc.

The second thing I'd do is turn onto my back. I don't want to lay on my stomach... I'll get killed...especially if he's trying to paint the sidewalk with my face. Bump up, and roll to your side or back... (you're giving him mount...) It's still a very bad position, but at least now you have more chance of working some upa escapes, etc. To escape the mount, bump up making him place both his hands on the ground near your head. Wrap your arm around his elbow and pull it tight into your body. On the SAME SIDE as his trapped elbow, hook his foot with your foot, and use your free leg to push him STRAIGHT UP. Do not try to "roll him over" at this point. You must get his weight to move forward above you. When his weight has been broken (try to make his head touch the ground right above your head) immediately roll to the side of his trapped arm and leg. He should go over. This "upa" has to be explosive, and quick. No hesitations.
If he's mounted and punching you, cover up, bump your hips up to bring him forward a little bit, then trap his arm by grabbing his wrist and elbow with your hands. Do the same movement. Bump up, try to make his weight go forward, trap his foot, and roll him to the side of his trapped limbs.

These are basic escapes that work wonders if you train them with realistic pressure.
They're not fool proof, and you're going to have to train and get experience with real grapplers.

Good luck, and train hard.

Ryu

[smalldog]

Clash..........are you training at a BJJ school?
If not,then you may need to find one if you want to get proper training.
The problem with any strikes while mounted is that you leave yourself open with most every thing you do.You punch or poke eyes from your back and you extend your arms.Even an elbow to the groin will take your hands away from your defense position and leave you open for punches.
That is why you have to be able to escape positions.
As a beginner, I am working on position at all times.
My umpa and ability to create space to escape is my best tool.
After you get your controls and escapes down,then start working on subs.It's easy to loose your position and get in a worse position when going for subs.That's why you first have to be able to escape most every position before you learn a bunch of subs.
If you are confident you can escape most everything, then you are in a better position to take chances by throwing sub after sub at your opponant. Just my two cents.