Use of the 'Elbow strike', on the street

[jmd161]

This is my last reply to this subject.

da_mill,

Why are you looking at this from a boxing point of view? I used boxing to show where i got the technique.In the syreet there is no controlled stances or southpaws or orthodox fighters.You do what works!!

I stand in a southpaw style ,but i'm actually right handed.So that assumption you made does'nt matter.If you go by the way a person stands in a fight to be the type of fighter they are.Then i don't expect that you win many fights.

If you wanna sit and nitpick the technique fine.I'm done with the subject.

jmd161

[da_mill]

no offense, but you put it into a boxing context so i also used the context myself. ... ???

Y are you getting on like that ? I was merely asking for an explanation so that I could understand it myself - so that i could understand ure technique and understand what you intended to do. I wasn't nitpicking, merely questioning and asking. Don't take it in such a bad light.

[jmd161]

Ok maybe i'm over reacting.

da_mill,

First of all let me say this.

I'm not to good at putting my thoughts into words.Many times when i try to explain things in words it does'nt come out right.I'm very good at showing ,but not explaining.

I prefer to use it as an attack not a counter.It really catches the person offguard.The idea is that the drop is a feint that draws their attention away from what you're really trying to do.That's why it has to be done in one very quick motion.Usually i would'nt want to do it the way i explained in the first post.I just wanted to get across the idea of how you apply the technique.It's very similar to that little hop tyson used to do to his left while throwing the right hook.By the time the person notices what's going on you've landed a clean unseen shot to the head.Most knockouts in boxing come from two things.Power and the fact that the person never saw the punch.If you see a punch comming the mind prepares for the shock of the punch,but if you don't see it the mind can't prepare and the shock of the blow causes you to blackout.

jmd161

[CHOKE UK]

Correct me if i'm wrong here,

But what seems to be in question, is not the effectiveness of the move but what the actual technique and movement is.

We dont quite understand what is going on, so we cant visualise it.

From my understanding,
you are receiving a punch, we are somewhat unclear as to what punch, but i think its a straight punch delivered by the back hand, a straight right/right cross.(but you call it a left cross as you fight south paw and therefore have used southpaw talk).

You then crouch and slip to the outside,
While faking with the left(from southpaw point of view)
then you loop an over hand right to opponents head, on the left side.

I see what he means, i suppose a bit like Tysons,
slip under and left hook.

I do see and understand people's crtiticms but in
defence he does admit that it is only one small technique.

As i must mention that as everybody knows,
this is only one piece of a rather large jigsaw puzzle.

I could give you several "tricks" that do also work in a fight,
especially a hand/fist fight, but i would not rely on these in any way, but may merely use these to disorientate or confuse or suprise my opponent, but certainly would not expect to knock him out with them.

Have you ever knocked someone clean out, with bear hands ??
It can happen but its not that common, and think of hitting a guy with a full blooded hook, when he has the jaw bone of a ass, if you dont knock him clean out, you will now have to fight him with "one-hand".

Normal fights dont usually end like Tysons fights !

[jmd161]

You do have a point there.

Normal fights dont usually end like Tysons fights !

CHOKE,

That is so true ,but if you're an experienced martial artist you should know how to bring out your power and deliver a good shot.Maybe i'm overdoing it when i say knockout 100% of the time? But each time i've used it that's what happened the only times it did'nt knock the person out was in sparring.Because i pulled back on the power.I don't wanna hurt none of my friends.

Once again what i'm also trying to show here is not all knock outs come from power.Surprise has alot to do with it as does power and technique.

jmd

[CHOKE UK]

JMD, was my interpretation of the "move" correct???

[jmd161]

Originally posted by CHOKE UK
You then crouch and slip to the outside,
While faking with the left(from southpaw point of view)
then you loop an over hand right to opponents head, on the left side.

I see what he means, i suppose a bit like Tysons,
slip under and left hook.

Yeah i forgot to point that out i now see the problem with what i typed.

I'm talking from an orthodox fighters point of view ,but i'm using a southpaw stance.I see why everyone had a problem with what i said.I forgot that i'm a odd style fighter.I'm right handed but fight southpaw.

Thanks CHOKE.

jmd

[HuSanYan]

hi all

topic seems to have gone into various realms but never the less, thaks for your replies guys
best regards
HSY

[Arms_Of_Thor]

It would be a more effective Counter/attack if you used a shovel hook to the, solar plexus, ribs, floating ribs, stomach. Then come in with a rear hook to the head. Because alot of the time like some one already said, alot of "attackers" can take a good hit to the face.

[eXcessiveForce]

out of curiosity why would you want to hit them in the head at all when it would appear that the neck and throat would be exposed.

If we are talking about street application. Why hit something that is hard when a soft squishy spot is available?

[Guest]

Oh no1 he is going for soft squishy spots!

Now that IS excessive force!