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  • Street Combat & the numerous comparisons with UFC effectiveness etc..

    A lot of the following will no doubt be familiar with many of you guys and Spanky please give your toenails a good wash before entering my 'forum dojo'

    The current buzzwords in martial art circles are 'street effective' systems.

    Once more people are asking which art is best for the street? Or, Can Karate beat Thai boxing? Etc. One of the reasons why these topics are being discussed is the video release of the Ultimate Fighting Championships. People are now claiming that UFC is a good indicator of which systems are most street effective but while some answers may come from it, they don t give the full picture.

    What UFC shows us is that if a telling blow isn’t landed in the opening seconds, then it's straight into a gamble and down to the floor just like what generally happens on the street! In such cases, arts like wrestling and Ju-Jutsu are obviously superior to kicking and striking systems. So if you want all-round combat effectiveness, then you must include grappling in your arsenal of techniques. But is Gracie Ju-Jutsu the most effective street system in the world, because it wins in the UFC? I don’t think so.

    All one can say is Gracie Ju-Jutsu comes out on top of the UFC - so far! Though UFC is the nearest you are going to get to no holds barred fighting, it still has nothing to do with street combat.
    It is a contest, with fighters agreeing to the rules (no biting and no groin shots), and there is a referee to stop it when the need arises. And it is fought in a type of ring with the crowd paying money to view it. So it is a sport - a brutal one, granted, - but still a sport! You could also say that the success of Gracie Ju-Jutsu is down more to Royce Gracie than to his art. There’s no doubt that Royce is a master of Brazilian Ju-Jutsu and besides that, he’s a hard man with bags of fighting spirit.

    These are the reasons why I don’t necessarily think Ju-Jutsu is the best street system, though I happen to be a 4th Dan in it, and believe in my art. Too many martial artists misunderstand the difference between sport/dojo sparring and street fighting. They are completely different worlds! The Thai boxer may say "My leg kicks, knees and elbows will devastate an opponent in the street." The karateka says " I can smash a dozen roof tiles with my reverse punch, so I could easily drop an attacker in the street." In both cases they are working on the misapprehension that an attacker will dance around and begin to exchange blows with them. Forget it!

    The plain fact is that there is very rarely - if ever - any sparring up in the street. No street fighter wants to fight three, three minute rounds because he doesn’t train for this. The street fighter is bound by no rules whatsoever. He will come at you in a frenzy, using no ritualised punches. He’ll spit, bite, butt and stomp and there won’t be a referee to break it up, or rounds to save you.
    You’ll face a fast, brutal few seconds of violence that will not only physically blow you away, but mentally shock you.

    You won’t be attacked in a well lit dojo or ring with matted floors to land on. Instead it may be an icy pavement, a beer soaked floor in a disco, or a slippery lavatory floor. Not the ideal conditions for combat! There may be no room to use your repertoire of "killer" techniques and you may even have difficulty seeing the attacker in darkness or darkness or driving rain.
    How will your art cope with these situations? Does it teach you what to do if somebody jumps out the shadows and pulls you to the ground with a vicious choke hold? Does it have suitable techniques for when someone pushes a knife into your throat as you get out of your car?
    So as you can see, street combat is a totally different world. And in that world, how will your art stand up? Now apply all this to UFC and ask Royce Gracie whether he’d choose to go to the floor in a street fight. I imagine he would say no, because he is too smart a fighter for that. After all, if he did, what about the guy’s buddies who decide to pitch in with their boots? No, it’s horses for courses and what may work in UFC may not on the street. Grappling techniques are really good, but when facing multiple attackers or an armed attacker, they can be decidedly dodgey.

    The systems I teach is called Kempo Goshin Jutsu and it is a modern form of Ju-Jutsu. I’ve trained for about 23 years in martial arts but it was only about 11 yearsagothat I saw someone teach what I do now. It was totally different to anything I’d seen. So far as I’m concerned, that teacher is of the best combat martial artists I’ve ever seen.
    In conclusion, I believe that training in martial arts guarantees nothing unless you can adapt what you are doing to the environment of the street.

    There is no best art for street - fighting - only good practitioners who can adapt their art so it works under pressure and in all conditions. This may mean that you have to look beyond what you are practising now. Seek the truth, lose your ego and be honest with yourself because that is the way to achieving a high level of understanding in effective martial practice.

  • #2
    You make some good points. A couple recent threads already went over Jiu-Jitsu ad nauseum, so I won't go into that. If you are interested in street combat/survival, then you would probably like "reality based" self defense. Sammy Franco, Richard Dimitri, and Tony Blauer are bar none the best there are right now. If you are interested in their sites, I would be glad to post the urls for you.

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    • #3
      sure thing ryan, thanks a lot.

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      • #4
        Blauer and Franco were doing it before anybody else even thought of the idea of reality self defense. Definitely the pioneers of the field. Rich Dimitri has really come to the top with these two lately. All have excellent stuff, but Franco and Dimitri are the best overall IMHO.

        Richard Dimitri:

        www.senshido.com --In my opinion, one of the best forums on the 'net for self defense information. Lots of peopel who've been there and done that.

        Sammy Franco
        www.sammyfranco.com --Forum has gone downhill due to trolls, but the archives still have some valuable information. Good articles as well in that section (mentality, first strike, etc.).

        Tony Blauer
        www.tonyblauer.com --If you can get through the million-dollar words and diatribe before he gets to the good stuff, then you are probably in for some solid information. Not a great informational site, but has products and an article or two.

        James Sass/Carl Cestari
        www.gutterfighting.org --Site on the Fairbairn/Applegate/Sykes methods of hand to hand combat as taught to WW II commandos. No nonsense and offensive, but lacking in psychology when compared to the others on the list.

        Marc "Animal" MacYoung
        www.nononsenseselfdefense.com --I don't like his materials, and I heard his groundfighting video was downright atrocious (flops around like a fish out of water), but some people like him. Most who have actually trained with him don't though. Good, text heavy site with a lot of pretty solid information--I'm just not sure whose information it is . Definitely not on the level of the first 3 reality guys that I mentioned.

        I find this stuff interesting and very true to real life as I have experienced it.
        Hope I helped.

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        • #5
          thanks ryan

          I will check out those sites as I have not seen any of them before,
          many thanks

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          • #6
            Hu,

            I don't need to trim, I wear pretty pink dojo shoes for maximum firepower.

            That's a good article, but it seems a bit dated. Was it written in the early 90's?


            Ryan,

            where's your website on this list?


            I've heard you're a real bad ass? Or was it that your ass smells bad? I can't remember?!

            S

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            • #7
              Szczepankiewicz

              lol..........

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              • #8
                do you know where I could get a pair of these special Pink Dojo shoes??

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                • #9
                  Yeah,

                  and you're gonna loooove this,

                  Sharp Phil's online store!!!

                  Spanky

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                  • #10
                    I've heard you're a real bad ass? Or was it that your ass smells bad? I can't remember?!
                    But Spanky, your wife said I have a good ass

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                    • #11
                      Easy cowboy. remember, she took pictures. You want the boys to have a look at you in that gimp outfit???

                      I didn't think so.

                      Spanky

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                      • #12
                        well spanky

                        looks like I had better head straight over there,
                        (in very heavy disguise!)

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                        • #13
                          You can borrow the gimp suit. I'm sure Ryan will loan it out.

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                          • #14
                            serious question spanky

                            it's very important for my triple high kicks with quad cartwheels that any shoes worn are very aerodynamic,
                            are they??

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                            • #15
                              Yes, the feather boas make them slice through the air like a hot knife through butta....

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