Brass Knuckles

[Big Johnson]

Originally posted by ryanhall
Correction. Brass knckles CAN kill. And the weapon itself does not kill, only the person wielding it.

[Siegfried]

Well, it is true that the weapon itself does not kill anyone, the person using it does. You shouldn't blame guns, etc. when they are used by criminals to murder others. It is the criminals that should be blamed, not the tools themselves.

[Big Johnson]

Please, tell me you are just trying to argue with me and that you don't apply this little philosophy of yours to anything outside of this message board.

Are we then to allow people to walk around with nukes because "its not the nuke that kills people, its the person who detonates it! Nukes aren't a bad weapon. People are bad!"

Or, what about "go ahead, little Bobby! Here's a gun to play with! You are a good boy, so I know everything will be okay."

*BLAM*

"Oh no! Bobby was such a good boy! I don't understand why he just shot his sister! She's dead. How could this have happened?"

Recant your stupidity.

[ryanhall]

Recant my stupidity? Excuse me? Comparing brass knuckles to a nuclear weapon is the height of hyperbole and idiocy at the same time. There are obviously limits to this "philosophy" as you put it. However, it is the person committing the act, not the inanimate object being used that is the result of the harm caused. Once again, comparing brass knuckles to a gun is ludicrous. When you point brass knuckles at yourself and slip, you don't end up with a gaping hole where the back of your skull used to be. Give a metal pen to a murderer, and you have a deadly weapon capable of ending a life. Give the same pen to the average person, and you have a book report. Please try to be reasonable and discuss this on an adult level.

[Siegfried]

I'm sure little Bobby can handle a gun. I did, when I was little Bobby's age own a gun. And I learned to respect it, use it properly and how to safely handle around other people. I'm sure little Bobby can do the same.

Also, I never shot my sister, or any other human being. I simply used it to hunt wild game and target practice while in an indoor shooting range. Don't fear the gun itself, only fear the person behind it if he is untrained and has no regard for other human life. I have a high regard for other peoples lives and I still own many guns and various weapons I incorparate into my martial training.

[Big Johnson]

I am, as are most poeple, aware that a pair of brass knuckles can't jump up by itself and kill people. The fact that you felt it necessary to point this out is tribute to how clueless or pretentious you really are. Did you think you were saying something original or insightful by pointing this out?

A murderer would have a hard time fatally wounding someone with a metal pen. However, give that same murderer a pair of brass knuckles, a knife, a gun, or a nuke, and the danger becomes much greater.

The point is that when brass knuckles are used, people die or suffer serious cranial or cerebral injury.

Oh, and by the way, pens don't write. PEOPLE...*gasp*...write.

[Siegfried]

Yes, when brass knuckles are used people can suffer cranial injury. What is your point? People usually suffer bodily injury while fighting its just all part of the game. But you shouldn't blame the brass knuckle for bashing someones head in or a gun for blowing someone's head off. Its all about the person behind the weapon.

[Guest]

Originally posted by Sharp Phil
The UK is remarkably hostile to self-defense and all manner of weapons. I would strongly recommend against obtaining these. The sad fact is that for a resident of the UK, martial arts and self-defense might as well be illegal.

http://donrearic.com/tomyfriendsintheunitedkingdom.html

Not true. For the millionth time we can (and do) defend ourseles, and those occasional "cases" quoted are nothing but half truths and lies.

And the last place to look for an honest and balanced view is Don Rearic's site. All you have to do there to get the most ridiculous spite and hatred is imply that you slightly disagree....... If people so quick to choose conflict want guns, that is the best advert yet to ban them.

No offence to you, as I always feel you have an open mind.

[Guest]

Originally posted by GregThomas
I know, but I don't see the sense in making it totally illegal to buy something which would not kill, but only temporarily disable an attacker, (knuckle dusters), when any twelve year old can walk into a shop and buy large hunting knives which would easily kill an attacker, even if used in self defence.
I know which one I'd rather have and if possible I'd certainly like to get some.

And where can this twelve year old do that? Not in the UK, unless the supplier is breaking the Law.

I would advise you not to carry these brass knuckles in public. If you do you are breaking the law and could well be prosecuted.

[Big Johnson]

Originally posted by Siegfried
But you shouldn't blame the brass knuckle for bashing someones head in or a gun for blowing someone's head off.

Homeboy, I'm glad you said this. I was about to go and beat up an inanimate object used in a crime.

There sure are a lot of people who think they are more clever than they really are.

'You know, don't blame the dog's teeth for causing damage when you were bitten. Its not their fault...'

Lame.

[eighteenvisions]

RYANHALL

SO SORRY

[Siegfried]

My point is just that weapons themselves shouldn't be banned from law biding citizens because its not the weapons themselves who commit the crimes. The criminals will just find a way to get any weapon they want while the lawbiding citizen cannot. An example of this is Australia where guns were banned and crime is still very high, much higher in the US where guns are legal. This is because criminals have the guns and lawbiding citizens do not have them to defend themselves. The government expects them to rely on the authorities for nearly all protection, but in reality it doesn't work that way my friends. Of course you may not be able to understand this Big Johnson, being from the People's Republic of California and all.

[Guest]

I am always amused when people say how low the crime rate is in the USA. Only the pro gun lobby ever say it, along with a "and it's all because we can own guns" point.

Well I don't think crime is all that low in the states anyway. Gun ownership or not. I don't have (or believe in) statistics.

[Kingston]

Originally posted by Bri Thai
I am always amused when people say how low the crime rate is in the USA. Only the pro gun lobby ever say it, along with a "and it's all because we can own guns" point.

Well I don't think crime is all that low in the states anyway. Gun ownership or not. I don't have (or believe in) statistics.

American crime rate low? WAHAHAHAHAHAHAH... AHAHAHA HOO HOO!....ahem...heh... thats funny!

[Kingston]

Originally posted by Siegfried
My point is just that weapons themselves shouldn't be banned from law biding citizens because its not the weapons themselves who commit the crimes. The criminals will just find a way to get any weapon they want while the lawbiding citizen cannot. An example of this is Australia where guns were banned and crime is still very high, much higher in the US where guns are legal. This is because criminals have the guns and lawbiding citizens do not have them to defend themselves. The government expects them to rely on the authorities for nearly all protection, but in reality it doesn't work that way my friends. Of course you may not be able to understand this Big Johnson, being from the People's Republic of California and all.

lol, ok siegfried ill "educate" you on this matter.

ill try to make it simple for you. guns make crime easyer for the criminal.....

good guys have guns, bad guys have guns

good guys dont shoot people, bad guys do all the killing

BAN GUNS
good guys have no guns, bad guys have guns

good guys dont shoot people, bad guys do all the killing

what has changed? Only the fact that the few, yet to many accidental shootings dissapear!

but you say...."duh but hows i gunna defend meself?" well if someone was gunna use a gun on you YOUR DEAD ANYWAY, unless they miss, in wich case, you live.

look at cape town south africa, they all have guns, yet that city has the highes murder rate in the world.

You dont need to ban all guns, just have strict rules concerning them, nobody i know in canada owns a gun (well ok one guy), yet all those hells angels that are running around here arent robbing me blind....and we do have violence in canada (quebec is the bomb capital of the world aparently, according to "forbiden places" a TV show on the discovery channel)

We just dont have gun violence.....guns make it easyer for the criminal.