Gaining muscle, lifting weights, and BJJ. Is it possible?

[reyjrar]

Originally posted by KAYNE


YOU DONT HEAR OF MANY BB'S DROPPING DEAD FROM STEROID USE DO YOU? BESIDES, ALL THE GUYS YOU IDOLIZE IN MARTIAL ARTS, USE STEROIDS. I HATE TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE BUT ITS TRUE.

I CAN RELATE YOUR LOGIC TO COMPETITIVE MIXED MARTIAL ARTISTS AS WELL. WHY DO THEY PUT THEMSELVES THROUGH ALL WHAT THEY DO EVERY DAY FOR MINIMAL RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT. ITS MUCH EASIER TO MAKE MONEY BEING A BODYBUILDER THAN IT IS BY BEING A MIXED MARTIAL ARTIST. TITO IS THE TOP GUY IN THE MMA SCENE AND HE DOESNT EVEN MAKE THE MONEY THAT OLYMPIA COMPETITORS MAKE.

KAYNE

First off. I don't believe "martial artists" take steroids. "Fighters" who have trained in schools of fighting take steroids. Again, see my previous post. I have no problem with you taking seroids, to each his own. However the idea of the "art", the philosophy, the spirituality behind the arts is disrespected when I try to put "steroids" into the picture. Granted, my ignorance is probly to blame here. The thought that keeps bouncing around in my head is that it is entirely possible that martial artists of old used some concoction of herbs and minerals similar in effect to steroids to excel even before we had Ph.D.'s to tell us what and what not to do. However, in my mind, I'm training for the purification of the art.

Why do MA's beat themselves up? We're masochists of course! We could take an easier path, but where's the pain and discipline in that? I was trained to view the "arts" as FAR more than kicking and punching. I feel that a strong focus on the physical side of the arts is incredibly misleading. I try to spend as much, if not more, meditating, and thinking about things. It's paid off for me.

And about every martial artist taking steroids, that's a generalization and flame bait. Stop. See previous comment about MA != steroids.

Also the minimal return comment. For me, what you consider "minimal" acheived by myself, without the aid of drugs, is a monumental gain. Beauty is, after all, in the eye of the beholder.

I enjoy the intelligent posting about the physical side of training. I think you guys from elitefitness can bring a lot of positive information to this forum. I'm not a moderator, but a user who enjoys the hell out of intelligent debates (and I'm speaking to EVERYONE) and I'd like to ask that we please stop with the name calling.

[KAYNE]

I'M REFERRING TO MAINLY THE COMPETITVE GUYS IN ORGANIZATIONS LIKE UFC AND PRIDE. ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THAT.

FOR ANYONE TO BELIEVE THOSE GUYS DONT TAKE STEROIDS IS JUST NONSENSE.



KAYNE

[KAYNE]

ALSO, I'M NOT THE ONE PARTICIPATING IN "NAME CALLING" THREADS. I AM HERE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT MARTIAL ARTS, NOT NAME CALLING.





KAYNE

[Big Johnson]

Originally posted by KAYNE
ALSO, I'M NOT THE ONE PARTICIPATING IN "NAME CALLING" THREADS. I AM HERE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT MARTIAL ARTS, NOT NAME CALLING.





KAYNE

You meant to say, "I'm here to learn more about my non-traditional homosexuality, not martial arts."

[Guest]

A Homophobic body builder. That's rare. Especially since the homosexual community are well entrenched in the body building scene.

I make no value judgement on gay people, it really bothers me not. But don't bite the hand that feeds you, Big Boy.

[Big Johnson]

Originally posted by Bri Thai
A Homophobic body builder. That's rare. Especially since the homosexual community are well entrenched in the body building scene.

I make no value judgement on gay people, it really bothers me not. But don't bite the hand that feeds you, Big Boy.

Don't knock it until you try it. Kayne is quite a piece of ass.

[KAYNE]

Originally posted by Big Johnson


You meant to say, "I'm here to learn more about my non-traditional homosexuality, not martial arts."

I DONT NEED TO LEARN THE HOMO SCHIT HERE, I CAN LEARN ALL OF THAT FROM YOU!!! YOU ARE THE KING, OR SHOULD I SAY QUEEN, OF HOMOSEXUALITY!!!



KAYNE

[Big Johnson]

Originally posted by KAYNE



I DONT NEED TO LEARN THE HOMO SCHIT HERE, I CAN LEARN ALL OF THAT FROM YOU!!! YOU ARE THE KING, OR SHOULD I SAY QUEEN, OF HOMOSEXUALITY!!!



KAYNE

I'll let you have the last word on this, but stop sending me flowers.

[Guest]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

I'm with you on this Big J. That was pretty funny!

[KAYNE]

Originally posted by Big Johnson


I'll let you have the last word on this, but stop sending me flowers.

YOU MEAN I CANT SEND YOU ANYMORE FLOWERS???


KAYNE

[superdave]

Originally posted by KAYNE



YOU MEAN I CANT SEND YOU ANYMORE FLOWERS???


KAYNE

You can send me flowers broly.

[Big Johnson]

Its not nice to tease, you know. Why not run your terrible game on Bri Thai.

My heart is breaking like 12 bricks beneath an elbow strike

[KAYNE]

Originally posted by superdave


You can send me flowers broly.

THX BROLY, I FEEL BETTER NOW.



KAYNE