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    this kinda thing has been covered, but I've got a lot to mention an d this title kinda covers it all - Personal & 'club'.

    Basically we've jsut started a likkle fight club at school, so that we all improve.

    I practive MT, and the two other main people in it (that help etc) are TKD experts, one a black belt (hes very very very good lol) and one highly ranked. (note im not just saying they have belts so before someone says 'belts might not be worht much', ive watched them both in competition and they were pretty amazing )

    We had the first meet today, but there was only us 3 and a mate of mine, usually there woudl be more, but we were just laying down teh groundwork. Its basically full contact, with a tiny bit of holding back because we dont want to kill each other, but obviously you gotta learn to take the shots as well.

    basically, I'm looking for ways to take it further. Basically we have a pair fighting, while the others watch and shout help/advice whatever. My two mates (teh TKD boys) generally just go out, and bust out all the moves lol, which is fair enough. However, when I'm sparring with them, we have so far just restricted it to boxing. This is because my style of kicks may frankly be dangerous, especially as they will not be looking to block in teh style that other MT practioners do.

    However, they are both very, very fast, which has caused me major problems. I fare reasonably well against them, but I tend to not be able to get in close enough, and we just land jabs (all be it, hard ones) on each other. I'm getting better quickly as obviously you need to change your tactics, so I can slip inside often and that kinda thing. You learn real quick when youre taking hits. Damn they're just SO FAST tho lol. Its good I guess because its hard work sparring them. I'm sure however that this limited boxing with help me in the long run, even whilst im negating my leg work.

    Not trying to be egotistical, but I do feel that if I could use my low kicks as well, it would be a much fairer fight that I may come out on top on, at least against the lower rank TKD. (Even wen I say lower rank hes been doing it for around 5 or 6 years I think). However, I'm not sure what you think, but to me it doesnt seem safe to include this in the sparring. It would give great opportunities for me tho if it was used, I mean the low thai kicks to either side are so useful. Hopefully I'll find someone that does MT that can join in, so I can get some practice. I DO think I'm just moaning because I feel like I've got a lack of tools now lol, the boxing is interetsing...

    Basically I'm just looking for comments and wat not and what you peopel think...

    Finally, before people talk about the poor punching aspects of TKD, they are both very experienced fighters (for good or worse), and their hand game is definately developed! got my work cut out lol

    Oh yeh, and I've noticed that anyone I've ever sparred that has a reasonable grade and reasonable time spent doing a "traditional" ma, eg Karate, Tae Kwon Do, whatever whatever, is very quick. Often quite weak, but very fast nontheless.

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    Re: Our Own "fight Club"

    Originally posted by da_mill
    this kinda thing has been covered, but I've got a lot to mention an d this title kinda covers it all - Personal & 'club'.

    Basically we've jsut started a likkle fight club at school, so that we all improve.

    I practive MT, and the two other main people in it (that help etc) are TKD experts, one a black belt (hes very very very good lol) and one highly ranked. (note im not just saying they have belts so before someone says 'belts might not be worht much', ive watched them both in competition and they were pretty amazing )

    We had the first meet today, but there was only us 3 and a mate of mine, usually there woudl be more, but we were just laying down teh groundwork. Its basically full contact, with a tiny bit of holding back because we dont want to kill each other, but obviously you gotta learn to take the shots as well.

    basically, I'm looking for ways to take it further. Basically we have a pair fighting, while the others watch and shout help/advice whatever. My two mates (teh TKD boys) generally just go out, and bust out all the moves lol, which is fair enough. However, when I'm sparring with them, we have so far just restricted it to boxing. This is because my style of kicks may frankly be dangerous, especially as they will not be looking to block in teh style that other MT practioners do.

    However, they are both very, very fast, which has caused me major problems. I fare reasonably well against them, but I tend to not be able to get in close enough, and we just land jabs (all be it, hard ones) on each other. I'm getting better quickly as obviously you need to change your tactics, so I can slip inside often and that kinda thing. You learn real quick when youre taking hits. Damn they're just SO FAST tho lol. Its good I guess because its hard work sparring them. I'm sure however that this limited boxing with help me in the long run, even whilst im negating my leg work.

    Not trying to be egotistical, but I do feel that if I could use my low kicks as well, it would be a much fairer fight that I may come out on top on, at least against the lower rank TKD. (Even wen I say lower rank hes been doing it for around 5 or 6 years I think). However, I'm not sure what you think, but to me it doesnt seem safe to include this in the sparring. It would give great opportunities for me tho if it was used, I mean the low thai kicks to either side are so useful. Hopefully I'll find someone that does MT that can join in, so I can get some practice. I DO think I'm just moaning because I feel like I've got a lack of tools now lol, the boxing is interetsing...

    Basically I'm just looking for comments and wat not and what you peopel think...

    Finally, before people talk about the poor punching aspects of TKD, they are both very experienced fighters (for good or worse), and their hand game is definately developed! got my work cut out lol

    Oh yeh, and I've noticed that anyone I've ever sparred that has a reasonable grade and reasonable time spent doing a "traditional" ma, eg Karate, Tae Kwon Do, whatever whatever, is very quick. Often quite weak, but very fast nontheless.
    lol i dont see why you cant use "your" kicks... have you tried it yet or are you just assuming that you will hurt them lol, try it out, if they dont like it then dont use it on em...

    hmm maybe right when you start you could just rush the guy like a mad man, he mite get a kick off, but hopefully youll have enough momentum to crash into him. If he backs off keep on going, you mite make him fall over, or hopefully be off balance for a little while.

    if he has long enough hair grab on to that, im sure that will suprise him.

    try 2v1 to spice things up.

    what would a TKD guy do to get out of a headlock or bearhug.
    if you stronger and bigger then anyone of them a bear hug could leave em breathless is you squeeze hard enough.

    look for weakness in there style and capitalize! lol

    if they mostly try to get kicks on you, try to get in close as possible and stay there, get em with knees and elbows.

    basicaly try things that you havn't already tried, suprise and confuse em.

    lol USE YOUR MT dont let em little TKD geeks beat your super MT skill!! stand up for your art! dont want a rumor to get started that TKD guys can beat MT guys..

    good luck.

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    • #3
      If you are having trouble getting inside a kicker's defense range, then you have slow footwork. To improve this, you could do everything from polymetrics to skipping rope. If they utilize low kicks properly, a lack of speed would keep you off of them. If they throw high kicks, however, you shouldn't have too much of a problem closing the distance no matter how fast they are.

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      • #4
        lol i dont see why you cant use "your" kicks... have you tried it yet or are you just assuming that you will hurt them lol, try it out, if they dont like it then dont use it on em...
        I'm assuming itll hurt - maybe wrongly, I suggested we try and see as thats teh best thing to do but yeh, especially as they dont know the correct blocking form, what are they gunna do? move out the way or let it hit them lol?

        but point taken...

        hmm maybe right when you start you could just rush the guy like a mad man, he mite get a kick off, but hopefully youll have enough momentum to crash into him. If he backs off keep on going, you mite make him fall over, or hopefully be off balance for a little while.
        They are my friends - im training to improve, not to beat them up. They go harder than me, so perhaps I need to go a bit harder, but it depends on what I'm working on. As Ryanhall said - my footwork is lettign me down. I'm well on the way to correcting that now, slipping in and out of punches and getting good body shots in etc.

        I know my "core skills" are reasonable, I can take a hit and lotsa punishment, but my footwork is frankly pretty shit - hence why I'm trying to improve on it

        I've never properly fought "another" style before, which is why I'm trying to learn. fighting someone who has trained in something totally different - I found it a bit confusing at first to be honest so I guess its all just good learning, and good preparation for whatever might happen...

        Once again - i appreciate what you're saying but Im not really prepared to knee and elbow them to be honest... or pull their hair lol

        But cheers, good points made, - to ryan - I started skipping, and well. im a bit shit lol but i can kind of skip, it er seems damn tiring!

        Will keep you updated undoubtedly will have a lot of questions to ask soon haha.

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        • #5
          Try taking them down, then fight them on the ground.

          That will make things interesting.

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          • #6
            Okay, I do have some advice for you since I have been in TKD all my life and have done cross style sparring all my life as well.


            First agree to the rules. Ask them if it's okay to throw your kicks if you are concerned.

            I once sparred a guy who was in kenpo. We had agreed on the rules before hand. But we never metioned sweeps. So he tried to sweep me. He payed the price for it because I reacted to what I saw and he took a kick in the face. I wasn't upset he tried to sweep me. But we agreed to be a little more thorough on the rules.

            I have fought some people in muay thai and I don't care if they kick to my legs. I know how to block shin to shin and am not afraid to do it. I also usually find the kicks a little slow and telegraphed so they are generally easy to get away from.


            I would say, Absolutely do NOT blindly rush in on a "GOOD" tkd person. My older streetfighting students always came in trying to do that. It's amazing none of them ever got their ribs broke but it led to lots of brused ribs and things like that.

            The best thing is to time the attack. The best time to strike is at the initiation of action as the foot leaves the floor. as the foot picks up to move forward to step. And after the strike has completed its action but not yet returned to its starting point. This is especially true of kicks. But it also works for most walking styles. It's a little harder to figure out with shuffling footwork but it can be done.

            Watch the hips. NO action can be done with power without the use of the hips. learn to read them and you will be able to avoid and beat them to the strike.

            Keep your hands slightly lower than the Muay Thai hand position so that you can keep from getting hit with linear kicks to the chest, and use the elbow to block kicks lower than that.

            Never block a kick lower than the waist with your hands. Either use your shin or move out of the way.

            Work on your foot work.


            If you find the need to change the rules, do it. Saftey is important and good training partners are hard to come buy. It's not good to piss them off. Communication is key to growth.

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