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[platinum_angel]

hey ryan do you remember that post i put up a long time that was named lilke the best move or whatever and i sayed it was a shoot in tackle. well i was lookin for movies on kazaa and i found royce gracie from the ufc. and his main move was just that a shoot in tackle and it worked everytime even against the best fighters so i stand with the idea that oneof the best moves in martial arts is just a shoot in tackle. and all of you guys said you would beable to evade the shoot in lol

[Field Marshal]

thing is, the shoot and tackle was not well known when in UFC 1 and 2 when royce gracie was doing it in that vid clip. not a lot of fighters knew how to react to it. now, its a different story. we've all seen it and know what its all about and now we can develop a strategy against it.

[MrPoopy]

I agree with Field Marshall. It wasn't well known back then. Some of those guys literally stood there and let Royce do it. But it still works great against those that haven't practiced responding to it.

[shasan]

I saw some videos (most notably those of *Gracie vs. Sakuraba) where people did fairly well avoiding the takedowns. (i think this is what you were talking about).

In fact, if I remember correctly, there was one time when Royce tried shooting in for an ankle pick or something and got shalacked in the head cuz Saku was able to jump back and let fly. (please correct me here if I'm wrong).

I think Sakuraba has very good spatial perception, which helped him to gauge his range and be able to keep away from the takedowns.

Admittedly, my meager knowledge/experience suggests that it is probably a LOT harder to KEEP someone from closing the gap than it is for them to close the gap, but I've seen it work for those of us who have the timing and precision to do it.

Keep in mind tho, Silva kicked Saku's ass in a later(?) Pride.

[JaredExtreme]

Royce's shoots worked in the early UFC's because most MA's didn't teach any counters.

Sakuraba was able to beat Royce because he had him well scouted and refused to play Royce's game by not falling into his guard.

[platinum_angel]

i see well thanks for correcting me.

[crazyjoe380]

SAKU ISN'T BETTER THEN VANDELEI SILVA...


BJJ AND MUAY THAI IS ALL U NEED PLUS SOME WRESTLING MOVES AND HARD WORK...

[Cain]

nooo

i thought only a gun was any good... you could try to 'shoot' but as long as i have my gun pointed at you.. well..