I see alot of advice, or break down of styles.. this and that .. that and this...

[ryanhall]

It seems that whenever some does give firsthand experience of using trad MA that peron is being rediculed and almost dismissed as a liar

Because this is the internet and we have no way of knowing the veracity of someone's claim, all we have to go in is experience. When someone tells me that they remembered their Tae Kwon Do class from their childhood and kicked a knifer in the head (while being a 300 lb fat guy), I tend to believe that they are not completely honest. When their stories don't match up with violence as I and others have experienced it, we tend not to agree with them.

[Toudiyama]

Originally posted by ryanhall

Because this is the internet and we have no way of knowing the veracity of someone's claim, all we have to go in is experience. When someone tells me that they remembered their Tae Kwon Do class from their childhood and kicked a knifer in the head (while being a 300 lb fat guy), I tend to believe that they are not completely honest. When their stories don't match up with violence as I and others have experienced it, we tend not to agree with them.

So a 300 lb person can't be flexible..... ever seen sumotori train?

[Guest]

Yes, I have seen them train.

But the point is this guy didn't train.

Doh!

[Toudiyama]

I actually became more flexible after a sebatical of a year and managed to keep it after I started training again
Heck I haven't ben training actively for the last 3 years(job takes too much time) but I still can kick as high as ever, but high kicks are overrated anyway, you rarely see them in NHB fights
heck even proper lowkicks are rare a lot of instep kicks, is this because a shin lowkick would place you to near the opponent and vulnarable for a shoot?
Darn while I write this I see that his story is a bit suspicious, but not because he is an untrained fat guy but because it hard to effectively use high kicks in real combat

Maybe he was attacked by a midget with a knife? JK

[Guest]

Or Action Man? Even I could kick him in the head, if he was lying down.....

[Toudiyama]

Originally posted by Bri Thai
Or Action Man? Even I could kick him in the head, if he was lying down.....

I usually squash action figures under my size 12-13 boot

but how would be fare against a ninja turtle, they've got build in armor

darn friday again losing my seriousness

[crazyjoe380]

Originally posted by Toudiyama
crazyjoe380:

Karate still has to prove something? why because a KyokushinKarateka (Gerard Cordeau) lost the finals from UFC1 from Gracie?

80's Kickboxing champion Fred Royers made an easy switch from Wado karate, well actually between karate and kickboxing, he didn't stop karate
so some karate styles have a close resemblance to kickboxing (kyokushin in particular since it is full contact and involves a lot of hardening the shins)


Are we discarding arts now just because no-one from the arts enter NHB events anymore and are others doing it the other way around, namely discarding it because it is competition based?

I won't diss any art that can survive because it must have some validity
But some arts, when it comes to real fighting, are like a scenic route, it's long and fancy but in the end will take you there

Other arts are quick and simple, like a shortcut which you might be able to take with your car but not with a truck (or with a bus but not a car)
Lastly the arts that combine both "quick and simple" and fancy

Non valid arts are those started only for the money, because they do not really attribute anything


As for first hand experience, soory that's hard, I'm 41 years old and +25 years of MA but haven't had more than 5 real fights, of which all but one were before my MA days
It's hard to pick a fight with me because other than for fun(sparring) I do not like to fight and will aviod it if at all possible

i'm saying karate and tdk and a few other.. because of the way those styles are taught. most of them anyways. they are taught in a manner where it's about money and politics when it comes to the martial itself. i'm not dissin karate or tdk as a martial art. it's wack how it's spread out. teachers giving kids high ranking belts to keep the mom and dad happy so the biz can stay open..

i'm sure karate is a great style. & it's not because of ufc or gerard.. you came with that outta left field ma man.. lol.. . i've fought a karate guy before.. forgot what belt, but he was real cocky.. he fell for the oldest boxing trick in the book.. a faint..
i fainted a left and he twitched and tried to block.. he realized it was too late cause my right already cracked him.. from there it was just over for him.. he didn't recover from that shot..

i also fought a tdk guy.. kicks kicks kicks.. he kicked my stomach pretty hard with some spinning shit.. but he didn't punch.. and i got him..

all i'm saying is that it's taught weak and it gives the student the feeling he's on point with his defense or offense. i have my beliefs you have yours.. i say mt, boxing, bjj, weights, judo, wrestling is good to have in your tool box.. along with the eye jabs, gouges, groin strikes, vital area strikes.. i'm aware of all of that and on the street, if i dont know him.. as in i'm fighting a friend or someone i know.. i'm going for a weak spot..

Geez.. i didn't mean to offend you..





































Now go home and get your f.uckin shine box...














J/p..




thanks for the reply.. hopefully that straighted things out.. i'm sure your karate is taught well..

[Toudiyama]

I used to stress that fighting in real life is something way different from competition WUKO/WKF karate
Some of my students used it in real life so I take it I must have done something right actually both although being independently trained used the same combination one to strike out the oponent the other stopped the laste technique (left elbow) right in front of the face of a bully, after which the bully had the utmost respect for him

Combination: left jab, right strait punch which ppulls forward a right low kick, pull his left arm down with your right, left elbow to his head made in a diagonal from top left to bottom right ( or does, pulling the elbow through, say it better?)

You don't insult me by saying that karate has something to proof
nor if you would say that about wado, but don't base it only on the fact that they don't compete in NHB events or for that matter any full contact event
I think it comes down to the ability to take as well as give
IIf you haven't been trained to break your fall then the first shoot you will receive, will knock the air out of you and ......

I think McDojos have something to do with your vision, in my country we don't really have a thing like that, probably because we are cheapscates and that makes getting rich from MA hard, even for the best instructors, let alone for phoneys(spelling?)