"Real" Streetfighting

[Guest]

I occasionally use an old martial arts belt to tie myself to the punch bag. I makes movement so awkward, and eats into your balance and power.

ps - I'm not really into ice hockey, but would buy a compilation of their fights. They realy go for it!

[DRLashambe]

Bri Thai:

If you're on a site like Kazaa, look up Don Cherry's Rock 'em Sock 'em Hockey. Don Cherry is a hockey announcer who's a Canadian cultural icon. He puts out a video every year that's a compilation of the best fights, goals and bodychecks.

For the exercise you were mentioning: where on the bag do you attach yourself, the bottom, top or all the way around?

[eighteenvisions]

Great Sage

MY post wasn't 1 point but many from different views..........Thus showing that I am open to anything and have evolved from the tradtional state of mind,have you?

About sparring it's exactly that,I can't say but will presume it's in FULL PROTECTIVE GEAR. Regardless they go to your school they may hit you blah blah but if someone gets hurt don't you stop. I mean after all your just sparring. I like how you RESPONDED to what I asked but didn't anwser the question. I have never encountered anyone on PCP but I have several times on meth. If you've never fought someone who thinks thy're really superman then you should just shut up. That doesn't mean your not entitled to an opionion or that your not a reputable fighter but how can you make an intellegent statement off something you've never exp.? Just becuz you do meth doesn't mean your hot shit #1 But they're generally not push overs and generally have more balls. Generally. And I don't support any drug but you don't flip if you smoke meth it's usually after you've been up or if it's some GOOD shit. They're are people out their who think meth will increase they're fighting ability. I guess you would have to walk in their shoes to make a statement on that. Grant it your brain goes 100 miles a second YOU MAY think of a strike or whatever if your all hopped up but overall It's more mental than anything. ALthough depending on if it's cut with anything you may get an overwhelming adrenilane rush but this is a martial arts forum nut a drug one.

I NEVER once said that a street fighter was equal. INfact I agreed with you and said most were scrub but not all. It's almost as if you glance at what I write disect it then try to discredit me! If you READ what I say you could save yourself alot of time.
My point about the street fighter vs the MUAY THAI guy was you guys doubted any street fighter had been in over a 1,000 street fights and was still on the streets Well I gave you proof. IF your on KING OF THE CAGE you have to have some kind of reputable fight career you don't just show up and say hey put me on tv i can fight.Whats amazing is the fact that DUANE LUDWIG under BAS RUTTENS wing destroyed this other guy. The other guy obvoisly has skills or he wouldn't be on K O T C but you didn't see any of them becuz LUDWIG was on another level.

Have you guys ever heard of BUM FIGHTS?It's a video. Theres only one bum fight, but a whole lot of amatuer fights. I think that what they ment by bum cuz these guys were a bunch of bums in the fight world. Most of the fights were slug fests I talkin about every punch came from texas. None of them had ground game they were all head hunters a couple of em threw knees but all in all these guys were chumps. If these were the type of "street fighters" I encountered I would think the same as most of you. If I were to claim I was a kick boxer or submission fighter what would you all say what school do you go to what belt are you who's your instructor? so can I really say that I am a practiononer of anything if I don't go to a school? I have the century 75 pound bag and speed beg I hit both everyday like i would if i went to a school. Besides roofing long hard days(if you've never roofed you need to give it a try and see how much working out you want to do after that. but I run atleast a mile a day jump rope for 30 min and hit the bag everyday.I kick the bag 100-125times a leg a day
and lift weights. I know I could do more but this isn't the pinnacle of my work out I am constantly progressing. Oh yeha I have a son too. From your personal exp. you may have run into a bunch of scrubs. But don't think that all people on the streets are scrubs.
Actually do whatever you want it's your life.

[eighteenvisions]

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[da_mill]

The problem with striking arts (and I practice one, so I'm not having a go at anyone) is that very few of them train to cope with the guy who grabs you, pushes and pulls you violently all over the place (destroying your balance) and simultaneously punches at you.

tru, any idea for what you could do? People instinctively grab and hit, thereby destroying your balance. I'm not actaully sure what I'd do here, if I was thinking straight I'd rip at the fingers to release myself, but if I was flailing too I'm not sure. Probably push so they go backward or reach for their face etc and eye gouge them :\

[ryanhall]

tru, any idea for what you could do? People instinctively grab and hit, thereby destroying your balance. I'm not actaully sure what I'd do here, if I was thinking straight I'd rip at the fingers to release myself, but if I was flailing too I'm not sure.

You do what you have to do, but a knowledge of how to gain control and dominance of the clinch is crucial here. A lot of positions are taught, but the only one that really matters is the 'inside' position. In this position, you grab, hand over hand (fingers not intlerlaced) inside the arms and behind the neck of the other guy. From here, you can control him, as well as strike very solidly with knees, elbows, and headbutts. Make sure that you bump your hips back far enough that you can avoid a body tackle if it comes.

[Aaron04]

DRLashambe and CrazyJoe, not to get too far off the subject, but the streets of Britain are among the most dangerous in the world. Especially London, where the cops are no longer unarmed. Most police departments in London are now equipped with HK submachine guns.

[Toudiyama]

Darn must be the coffeeshops, why Amsterdam is relatively safe

[Guest]

Originally posted by Aaron04
DRLashambe and CrazyJoe, not to get too far off the subject, but the streets of Britain are among the most dangerous in the world. Especially London, where the cops are no longer unarmed. Most police departments in London are now equipped with HK submachine guns.

That is utter bull shit.

[Crouchtig]

psychological training is VERY important for self-defense
eg. learning to cope with adrenaline, being able to attack someone aggressively

a while ago somone hit me on the street

i predicted his punch before he even threw it. although i didnt really have much training in MA i could have blocked, counter attacked etc

i couldnt fight back

i was bigger than him and no matter how many times he hit me he couldn't really do any damage (not even when he picked up a stone and hit me with it)

what i lacked wasn't fighting ability (i could easily have beaten him) it was the ability to deal with the situation

now i have trained in TKD (dont worry ive given it up) and MT (which im currently obsessed with)

my fighting ability is better than ever before (im much bigger than i used to be too)

but what if the same thing happens again? all my fighting skills will be useless if i cant handle the situation psychologicaly

i never really had this trouble in primary school.

my plan: next time someone comes looking for a fight attack them without mercy (but try to remain in control)

this is the only way i can see of training myself to fight back

in this situation i think that a fight really is my only way to improve

[DRLashambe]

da_mill:

Ryan is right, controlling the clinch is vital. The idea you had of trying to rip at your opponents hands has never worked well for me or anyone I work out with. As an addition to Ryan's post, I find if I can't gain control of the clinch the way he described, I try to block the knee that is trying hit me with my elbow, and pull out the leg that my opponent is standing on. Because I need to bend to do this, I can usually slip his clinch as he falls. The important thing is to protect against that knee hitting you in the face, and keep a straight back because if you miss the leg, you're going to get knees to the face.

Bri Thai:

I'm sure I saw some London "policemen" dressed all in black busting into an embassy with H&K machine guns back in the 80's. Was that you?

[Great Sage]

eighteenvisions

First of all, my intention WAS NOT to discredit you... I was merely stating the obvious. When someone advocates streetfighting over training, then turns around and admits that a Streetfighter would get his butt whooped by a MA guy, it's a clear contradiction. Therefore, if I misunderstood your view, it's a matter of perception.

Second of all, your idea about meth and pcp was a valid point... Likewise, I was pointing out that no matter what your training entails, VERY FEW are prepared for such an encounter. Neither a streetfighter nor a MA guy can train (unless they go looking for trouble) in this situation.

Lastly, I think you underestimate the value of sparring. For instance, I've been boxing for a few months now and it's quite an eye opener. Many times in a fight, one guy gets hurt and runs away or you have the option of running away (unless one guy has a weapon or has you cornered). In the ring, you're confined so you must strategized accordingly. A lot of guys you fight in the ring, be it boxing, kickboxing or NHB will give you more fight than most guys you face in the real world. In fact, that's how I learned to face my fears as a kid. Sparring, when used correctly, is means of visualizing, evaluating and experimenting combat situations — something you cannot fully practice on your own.

[ryanhall]

Great Sage,

When someone advocates streetfighting over training, then turns around and admits that a Streetfighter would get his butt whooped by a MA guy, it's a clear contradiction.

I'd agree with what you say here. But who has advocated streetfighting as a method of training?

[Guest]

"Bri Thai:

I'm sure I saw some London "policemen" dressed all in black busting into an embassy with H&K machine guns back in the 80's. Was that you?"

No. And, if it is the Iraninan Embassy seige, it was the SAS. It was the first time that this elite British military unit came to the publics attention.

[DRLashambe]

Bri Thai:

Sorry Mate, I was just taking the piss. Actually, I attended a seminar with a former SAS guy and a U.S. marine special forces trainer about 2 years ago. They have a company out of Chicago called "Warrior Systems, Inc." The Marine was named Tim Murray, although I don't remember the name of the other trainer. They kept refering to the SAS as the Soup-And-Sandwich crew. Since that time, I've read everything I can about them. Now, if we want to talk about realistic fighting, those would be some guys with very interesting insight.