Pressure points and deadly strikes

[platinum_angel]

the ones i know are

behind the ear
on your wrist below your palm

i know some more but those are the ones i like to apply the most

[ryanhall]

Platinum Angel,
Apply them how? Have you ever used these pressure points--or any others--to defend yourself? I find it extremely hard to believe that you (or anybody for that matter) would be able to utilize them. It's hard enough to hit the jaw of someone trying to level you. In my experience, I know that pressure points exist, and some of them hurt, but they are very high up there on the impracticality scale. For Azzazzin: there are no 'death' pressure points or places that you can touch to make someone crap their pants. Do you seriously think that a body (human) that is able to withstand multiple center mass gunshot wounds or a severed limb and keep on going will drop with the touch of a hand? I hope not.

[platinum_angel]

no i havn't used those presssure points in a real life fight but my uncle who is a cop(the one who taught me)used to use them all the time when someon would resist arrest. he would use them to take them down easier. have you ever had someone apply full pressure behind your ear. hurts like hell. sure you shouldn't use them when that person is swinging at you but if you have them on the ground or in the process of getting them on the ground they work well

[BlackMaskX]

Pressure points do exist, but they are often difficult to press or strike because they demand a lot of precision. Also, some pressure points don't work well on some people, especially if the person is under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

As far as death-point striking, I don't know whether it exists, but I am very skeptical. Even if it does, it would probably be almost impossible to apply in a real fight.

[Azzazzin]

I dont mean small pressure points that take pinpoint accuracy to get (although that craping the pants one probably takes some accuracy and it does exist the guy was a damn interogation officer in nam). I mean broad areas that don't take much force to inflict pain...

Example: The side of your rib cage. As I recently learned, the rib cage is meant to take a beating, especially with blunt objects, sich as the fist. The rib cage is there to protect what you got inside. But apply pressure with a pointy object, such as a thumb, to the bony rib area, and it hurts like hell. Doesn't even take alot of force.

And yes I would absolutely use this in a fight...

[ryanhall]

the guy was a damn interogation officer in nam

In what way does this make his word unimpeachable?

Example: The side of your rib cage. As I recently learned, the rib cage is meant to take a beating, especially with blunt objects, sich as the fist. The rib cage is there to protect what you got inside. But apply pressure with a pointy object, such as a thumb, to the bony rib area, and it hurts like hell. Doesn't even take alot of force

And yes I would absolutely use this in a fight...

Azzazzin,
Have you ever been struck with a powerful shot to the floating ribs? I will assume not. One such powerful shot can break these ribs and send the pieces into your lungs, puncturing them. A little pain caused by the tip of your thumb won't do jack to stop anybody. It may seem like a lot of pain when you're standing there for the instructor to dig his thumb into your rib cage, but an angered person trying to hurt somebody wouldn't even notice--at least not until he'd loosened their jaw or crushed their groin with a knee. How can you say that the body is mean to take a beating, to withstand powerful blows, but touching in the right spot will overwhelm it? It's pretty silly. Have you ever been in a fight outside of the schoolyard? I'm not being condescending, just wondering.

[Toudiyama]

2 things 1st accupunture can suppress pain during an operation, 2nd have you ever seen the marathonrunner (f) that waggled in exchausted and then let the shit run ( well "let" it was unvoluntairy)
Why wouldn't there be points where the anus would relax?
Or don't you believe in accupuncture?

[Azzazzin]

Originally posted by ryanhall

In what way does this make his word unimpeachable?


Azzazzin,
Have you ever been struck with a powerful shot to the floating ribs? I will assume not. One such powerful shot can break these ribs and send the pieces into your lungs, puncturing them. A little pain caused by the tip of your thumb won't do jack to stop anybody. It may seem like a lot of pain when you're standing there for the instructor to dig his thumb into your rib cage, but an angered person trying to hurt somebody wouldn't even notice--at least not until he'd loosened their jaw or crushed their groin with a knee. How can you say that the body is mean to take a beating, to withstand powerful blows, but touching in the right spot will overwhelm it? It's pretty silly. Have you ever been in a fight outside of the schoolyard? I'm not being condescending, just wondering.

Did I say that being poked with a thumb would be the blow that ends a fight? Balance is everything in a fight. If two people are standing infront of each other, in a slug fest, it's anyones fight, no matter how skilled one of them is. Once you throw your oponest off balance, there are a million possibilities that you could do, and small things like pressure points can do the trick...

And yeah, I might be young, but I've been in enough fights and seen enough skulls cracked open to know what I'm talking about. I might have no technique as of now, but I am slowly learning. Systema has really changed my mind of martial arts, and my instructor Vlad has really convinced me (in very few classes). So much so that I would bet he would absolutley destroy you in a fight, no matter how skilled you are (with his thumbs )

Do you think you're cool talking to me like you know shit over the internet? All I wanted was to learn about pressure points.

[Guest]

There is so much mysterious bull on this thread. People seem to have a desperate need to think there is an easy way. Its like those slimmers who all look for the new miracle diet.

My favourite line was "My uncle's a cop....." So what? Cops get taught shit fighting techniques so that:-

1. They can't sue the department when they get the shit kicked out of them, as they have been "trained" and

2. No one else can sue the department for having the shit kicked out of them, as police self defence doesn't actually work.


I remember being taught this "behind the ear" bollocks. Everyone obligingly says "ouch". So I decided not to play. Most people had a go at me, but none could make me give in. It hurt a bit, but not like being punched in the face.

[Toudiyama]

I'm also amazed Bri, he should know because he served in Vietnam, yeah I meet people who claim that too but I usually have my doubts about them, most seem to be hippytype people claiming things like that
This guy (the org poster spoke about) claims to have used techniques which aren't allowed acording to the geneva convention, even if techniques like this were used, people wouldn't talk about it

[kengar]

All I wanted was to learn about pressure points.

You can't always ask an easy question without getting every ego jumping around. There are many pressure points, but a lot are hard to attack during an actual fight. Training with Vlad, great, if I had a chance I'd attend one of his seminars. Have you practiced the point at the base of the neck, pressing downward with the spine with two fingers. Straightens the back and weakens the legs (felt something like that).

I remember being taught this "behind the ear" bollocks. Everyone obligingly says "ouch". So I decided not to play. Most people had a go at me, but none could make me give in. It hurt a bit, but not like being punched in the face.

Then obviously it wasn't done correctly. I have broked from holds and have had to release holds because of that point. I have also been held to the ground, and have held strong men to the ground as well using this point. Now when I was first learning how do this control technique it wasn't working very well, but with practice and understanding how to apply it it became effective.

[Lizard]

even if pressure points DO exist it IS probably difficult to use them in a self-defence situation due to adrenaline and the chaotic nature of most fights. Have you ever thought that perhaps the reason these techniques work is the psychology, someone I know says that one good technique is to make your hands into a diamond shape (like you do in a type of pressup), push it in front of their face and while they try to figure out what your doing you punch them. Perhaps the reason you broke your hold was because you feared that it would hurt, not because it actualy did. Bri Thai wasn't afraid and it didn't work.

[Toudiyama]

Starting with "even if PP DO excist" does this mean you aren't shure accupunture works? because the points are the same

As for it not hurting Bri, it did hurt but he could brace himself and therefor stand the pain like you can stand the pain of getting hit in a boxing or thaibox match
It is an anoying pain but can easely be withstand, pushing someones nose upwards with the palm will hurt more


Bri how would you have reacted if the person trying it on you would all of a sudden put two fingers in your nose and then apply pressure behind the ear?

[Kingston]

pressure points to me, are just places that hurt more, make people want to move. There are places you DO want to hit and places you DONT. Pressure points are places that, if you can, you mite want to hit. not everything works the same way on every person. If the rib stuff doesn't work, there are other ways for you to handle the guy.

iv heard something like there are hundreds different pressure points in your body. (dont know for sure, but there are alot).

they are not places where you can just place a finger on them and the person will drop in agony, or lose use of that body part.

They are places that hurt allot more if you get hit there then say the forhead, or the major muscle groups. All the pressure points i can think of are not "pin point" i would consider the testicals a pressure point, the solar plexus, side of the ribs, back of the neck where it connects to the skull (iv heard news reports of kids being killed by one punch there...). All these places hurt more then if you get hit in the pectoralis major. They are no where near pin point, or not relavent in a "real" fight. In fact all those places on the face that people say you HAVE to hit, or have a great chance of breaking your wrist/hand contain pressure points....the nose, jaw, temple all have pressure points in them.

i think people relate pressure points to dim mak magic, or places that cover only one centemeter, hidden somewhere on the body that can never be used in a real fight.

either i have mixed up what pressure points accualy are, or other people have (hey maybe we are all wrong!)

But thats just my opinion on the subject.

[Kingston]

also kengar....when you said "obviously it wasn't done correctly" i dont think that was true, it probaly was. Just bri had already made up his mind not to "tap" i have a friends who never taps (just screams like hell) 90% of the population would tap.....

ALSO, pressure points do different things to different people....depending on how things go they would have different emotions...i was sparring my friend, i was trying to get him in a lock, i was on top, he just reached back wildly to try to grab me or something....poked me in the eyes, wasn't to bad.....i just remember that i wanted to get out of there, and fast.....lol it wasn't the pain, i remember thinking...."i could have probaly stayed in there" it was an intresting experience, it was psychological, my brain said "MOVE!" and i did. I didn't bother thinking about it.

the psychological effect of pressure points is also a big factor.
The psychological aspect of fighting also plays a major role in how people fight, and who wins.

If its just pain, most people (who have time to get ready) will be able to hanlde it. The thing that gets people is the psychological aspect behind it. "oh crap my arms going to break" the fact that there mite be more serious consiquences behind the pain. Thats what dictates how people are going to react to it. Its what they think/feel emotionaly about it.

once again just my opinion.

note: the eye poking anectdote was not ment to relfect any type of real fight situation. just an example of when unexpected things happen, and how its not just pain complience.