Is this book any good?

[Guest]

Effortless Combat Throws - Principles, Analysis and Application.

By Tim Cartmell.




As many here will know I'm into selp protection instead of sport. The main principle is to blast away with strikes, totally overpowering the bad guy. But, like many, I don't want to end up in prison, so some kind of alternative would be a good idea.

I'm wondering if, after an initial strike or two to destroy his balance, I could finish off with a throw to dump him on the ground, giving me enough time to leave.

I don't want Judo throws, as too many mean you turn your back on him, or he has to be wearing something you can get hold of. And I don't rate Aikido, at least not for me.

So, has anyone got this book? What are the throws like? Is it any good?

[ryanhall]

Bri,
Don't have the book, so I don't know anything about it. Like you said, most Judo throws aren't that practical, but some will work fine without exposing you. Leg reaps and trips are among the easiest to lean and apply, and most don't show your back. O soto gari is a good one once you disrupt balance.

I'll try to explain it:
1) Soften with strikes
2) After strikes, grap bad guy going chest to chest while leaning your weight down and into one side of his chest, forcing bad guy's weight onto his outside leg.
3) Bring your inside leg up, and sweep it back into the weight bearing leag of the bad guy (your calf to his knee or his ankle). Make sure you sweep hard through the leg.

That's the best I can do, but if you pick up a Judo book, this one is always in there. It's a beginner 'throw,' but it's extremely easy to apply when compared to most throws. Best of all, it doesn't require the other guy to have a gi or a jacket. I've used this on two separate occasions to drop somebody I didn't want to hurt. It could easily be changed to a finisher that lets you get away or do whatever you do. Hope that helped.

[Guest]

Thanks Ryan. I actually have a reasonable knowledge of Judo/Jiu Jitsu type throws as I trained Jiu Jitsu (Japanese style) years ago.

I actually pulled of a "Scissor" sacrifice throw on the street once. Stupid of me really, as I was against two men and I'd just taken myself to the floor.........how dumb is that?

But I won anyway. The guy on his feet ran off, leaving the other to my mercy.

[Toudiyama]

What you have against judo throws is the same as I haave, but that still leaves some throws like o-soto-gari accompanied by a palmheel to the chin
the takedowns from ashihara can also be considered

I could try putting one of the sequences of them online if you are interested

[chris davis 200]

This book mainly refers to the throwing methods of Ba gua, mixed with some jujutsu.

His throwing movements seem to be quite good and mainly involve entering past the person quite deeply.

The main focus of the book is on the throws themselves and the body mechanics behind them not on there application to street/competitoin arenas.

It is a good book for those of you into throwy arts like judo etc.

His internal arts skills are very fight based, many dont rate him - i think he is quite aware of the principles and is a good fighter with titles to his name.

check out: http://www.shenwu.com/

cheers chris

[Guest]

Toudiyama - yes, I'd be very interested thanks.

Chris, thanks for the link.

[MrPoopy]

Some Judo throws will still work without clothing.

Wrestling throws should work also.

[Toudiyama]

Ok will take some time to find the right part and the right video

If you have broadband and emile/eDonkey2000 program you can goto my webpage @ www.toudiyama.nl and download Ashihara sabaki video by clicking the ed2k link

Anybody interested in MMA should take a peek too, espacially when you don't have 10 GB to share for DC++

[Szczepankiewicz]

A throw is a strike using the ground as your weapon.


Front hip throws and the four reaps of Judo (O soto, ko soto, o uchi, ko uchi) can be used without giving your back. However, you should also train in the throws that do involve 'giving your back' as you may end up with someone there someday.

Most Judo throws can be modified to be executed without the use of clothing.

You can also go from any kind of joint lock into a throw. Alain Burrese suggested one time to take a front arm bar and plant yourself on your seat.

'Giving the back' as they say is bad in competition but using the proper strategy and technique you can minimize the risk whilst maximizing your damage. Just like every other technique you know.

Going to the ground is also not as taboo as most would have you believe. Neither is it an 'always' situation.

If I can 'give my back' and 'drop to a knee' for just long enough to bounce you off your collar bone, I can then stand back up and deal with other threats or leave.

Going to the ground does not automatically mean pulling guard or that we're gonna rassle.

Have we not yet learned the lesson about 'always' and 'never'???

[Szczepankiewicz]

Hey, you silly Lamey, why don't you buy the book for a change and do a review!?!? YOU seem to be the expert on reviews now....

A quote from BN.com:

In “Effortless Combat Throws” Tim Cartmell masterfully unravels the core principles of internal martial arts devoid of “chi” oriented mumbo jumbo.

Throws are supposed to work off of the concept of 'Kazushi' and the principles of leverage OR you can go the other way and power them out. Either way the result is similar. Whether or not you can actually pull them off takes time, practice, and if you're lucky enough to get it, proper instruction.

Learning these things from a book is easy if you are a Limey Evil Genius, but for a simple dolt like me, I need a qualified instructor.