Anti-rape curriculum

[Joe Manco]

Those are great thoughts Patterson. Where did you get them from?

Were you a retarded parrot in a former life?

Yours truly,

Joe

[bjjstylist]

Yo Evil,

I think you should seriously consider what Joe said. Any man that's serious enough to attack and rape a woman is a pretty screwed up individual and is going to be determined to make his attack count... So, you can bet on this dude being as fierce as possible and pulling out all the stops.

When you first started grappling, imagine how tough it was to fight off a bigger dude on the ground with barely any training. Now imagine you're a broad, on the ground, barely any training, against a man who's determined to kill or rape you...

So, if your blonde friend isn't hell bent on putting in 100%, then nothing you teach her is going to be worthwhile. And even if she does train hard, if she hasn't been punched in the face or in the ribs by a crazy animal from inside her guard, then she's gonna be in for a real shock. Just keep that in mind...

Even professional fighters nowadays get beat down if they get socked up when an opponent is inside their guard. Think about how much heart she's gonna have to put forth just to hang on for dear life, let alone escape without getting raped or seriously hurt...

[Ronin]

Patterson is actually the world's largest ventriloquist dummy!

Hey, Joe! How do you make it sound like the voice is coming from the doll and not you?!

Actually, I think you guys are missing the point about rape-defense. She doesn't have to kill the guy, or even look good for the judges, she just has to be willing and able to put up a struggle and make a LOT of noise. Often, that's enough. Rapists aren't looking for tough chicks to rape, they're looking for wall-flowers.

Or so I've been told...

[Joe Manco]

Ronin:
You may want to shove your hand up Patterson's a$$ to "make him talk" but that is not something I'm into. Maybe you and Ryu could flip a coin over it.

Yours truly,

Joe

[Ronin]

Man, and to think I thought of that one and took it easy on you!

I'll know better next time.

Besides, Ryu is too busy moping right now to fist Patterson.

It'll have to be me.

[Joe Manco]

Ronin:

First of all, don't wink at me.

Second, people of your "persuasion" invariably DO shrink back from going for the kill at the moment of truth. This is why your kind should be eliminated from the military.

Just stick to hugging trees, collecting flowers, and reading poetry. You'll be happier in a woman's world where everyone is "sweet" to one another.

Yours truly,

Joe

[Ronin]

What's the matter, stud?

Scared?

Of lil' old me?

[Evilution]

I am definitely starting to lean towards Joe's side of the issue, and I'm not talking about fisting Patterson. I was thinking about it today and what if, she gets attacked and tries something I taught her in a "crash course" because she thinks she can fight, when what she really should be doing is maybe a simple eye boink and a sprint to get the hell away? Her odds of pulling it off are slim so she might just be putting herself in a worse position by trying moves she has no real functionality in.

Like I said, as long as I don't decrease her odds of survival, I don't care. But I'm thinking that a "crash course" might be the wrong way to go about it. I think I'm gonna tell her she has to put in the time and effort, the blood, sweat and tears, to develop at least a basic functionality. Otherwise I think it might actually hurt her chances of survival.

So as far as training time, I'll tell her it's all or nothing. But technique wise, do you think the things I listed are a good place to start? Or should I teach her the same way I would a regular student? Or a mixture of both?

[Joe Manco]

No kidding?

Of course you're going to lean towards my side of the issue. That is the magic of my wisdom: it pierces through the platitudes, propriety, and politically-correct BULLSH!T that these clowns were originally cheerleading you with ... and delivers THE TRUTH to you, unseasoned with sugar and spice.

The very heart of this matter lies with HER desire to learn, not YOUR "projected interest" in teaching. You can make the biggest list of curricula you want, brood and lose sleep over it for months, but the fact is you cannot teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

This bimbo has to really want to learn how to handle a FIGHT, for real, no holds barred, in order to reach a level where she can defend herself from an assault. Yet in her sheltered pea brain she envisions she could floor a 200 lb. man from a flick of her wrist after a little refresher course from you. That is her asinine view of the martial arts and the brutal reality of the streets. She obviously watches too much TV.

This skirt really deserves to get assaulted by a rap group so she understands reality a little better ... and maybe "then" she would take learning "how to defend herself" a little more seriously.

Yours truly,

Joe

[Ronin]

Joe Manco:

As usual, you're more interested in seeing your own ideas in print than in helping anyone else.

Most studies that I have read about have shown that a woman is always better off putting up a fight, whether she is successful in fending off the rapist (or whatever) or not. Her combative attitude acts as a deterrent, frightens the attacker who is worried about being caught, and helps the woman who is successfully raped get through the emotional trauma because at least she did SOMETHING.

I have read about women with NO TRAINING surviving an attack because they fought, and bit, and scratched, and kicked, and the guy didn't want any more of that, he wanted her to give up easy.

So as long as Evilution's friend understands that she's not going to be Bruce Lee, which I think an intelligent woman would, a little bit of training isn't going to hurt her, assuming Evilution has the slightest clue what he is doing, which he seems to.

You ARE very persuasive. Then again, most blowhards are.

[thekuntawman]

give her a paul vunak tape. i read where he says you can beat any attacker on the street and you need no strength, no skills, or something like that. and if if doesnt work, she can always get her money back. >)

no, i think she is wasting her time and fooling her self unless she is working out her fighting style a lot. a "information only" course will help her no more than a book. unless her rapist is woody allen, but if she isn't a young asian girl, she dont have to worry about that.

[Joe Manco]

Ronin:

You remain a lamer. That was the most disjointed post I ever read.

Yes, of course I love reading what I write. It is the most accurate representation of what I am thinking that I am able to read here on this forum. I always agree with me too.

Are you saying that you don't like reading what you write? If so, please explain your constant postings. The difference is I have a clue and YOU are the blowhard. You were the one cheerleading Evilution at first. Then you jumped ship and cheerleaded me. Now you're second-guessing my motives and stating "It won't hurt" for her to half-a$$ her way through a lesson or two.

You putz, you can't remain with the same thought or stance for any length of time, because your brain CELL can only store one impulse at a time.

Further, whatever you do spew forth is unoriginal drivel. "Studies show" ... "I read" ... these are the vapid blitherings you constantly utter. I don't need to read an article to intuit what would work in a rape scenario and what wouldn't. Any f*cking idiot can figure out that a woman has a better chance of not being raped by fighting her a$$ off than she does guiding the guy's d!ck in for him. LMFAO, you CLOWN!!!

You are hopelessly hopeless, Ronin.

Yes, congratulations, Ronin " ... an intelligent woman (with) a little bit of training isn't going to hurt ..." that was never my point. A "little" training may not "hurt" (though that itself is debatable), but what I said was IT IS A WASTE OF EVIL'S TIME and that he should just try to BONE HER instead of taking such a half-a$$ charade seriously.

One of these days, you will just shut up and silently nod your head in assent to my words of wisdom.

Yours truly,

Joe




[Edited by Joe Manco on 11-09-2000 at 12:16 AM]

[Shimora]

I didnt read all the posts in this thread but Self Defense/Anti Rape stuff for women is complete and utter BS.
We all know in the back of our mind that we could beat down a female like she was nothing even if she did kick us in the balls or gouge our eyes etc. Sweeps and clinch fighting are hilarious to imagine a chick doing without extensive training.

You gots to remember that a Self Defense course for women is a SHORT course. This means she will not be coming to training each week and most likely would not be interested in trying to master such involved techniques as sweeps and clinch underhooks etc. Ive always found that that stuff is ineffective when a smaller weaker opponent is trying them on me. How is the average 110lb chick going to fend off the average 200lb male attacker at all? Answer: She isnt.

Her best bet is to practice screaming really loudly and carrying some pepper spray and a stun gun. Both of which are on sale at http://www.anabolicninjutsu.com

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[Bau13]

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tell these women to train with Paul Vunak...

[Shimora]

Why? So they can learn how to snort Coke properly?

Vunak is full of shit.