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[thaiboxer2002]

Hi guys!
I've been training in Muay Thai for over a year now. Think it is probably the best stand up fighting system out there, so plan to stick to it.

What to chose in terms of grappling as an addition to my striking skills: Wrestling or BJJ?

I've heard that BJJ is just ground system, and in BJJ they don't do much stand up wrestling. Unfortunately, I can't mix them both, and need to pick one of them?

So, wresting or BJJ?

[CHOKE UK]

Thai,
When you say thai-boxing,
do you mean actual thai-sytle or the full contact style?

You know what I mean ?

And yes I was in your boat,
and i went to gracie j.j. similar to bjja,
With Muay thai/full contact skills,
I have attended many karate,kung fu etc classes to see how they fair up and they are easy peasy.
You go right through them !

So when I tried the ground fighting,
I thought I'd be ok.
But ...Shock to the system.
The free-fighting,
immediately exposes your lack of skills.
Ist lesson especially, you will get an adrenalin rush!
With a big guy sitting on your neck saying,
wheres all your thai boxing now ?
And not one bit of it is any good at all !
And he just stays there for eternity.
Very humbling !
Choose bjja, in my opinion.

[thaiboxer2002]

CHOKE, thanks for the reply and opinion.

I've heard there are 3 styles of Muay Thai depending on areas of Thailand, but it is probably full contact style since everything in our gym is tought for the ring and athletes compete primarily in muay thai and kickboxing.

I've looked on profiles of well known MMA fighters. Seems like BJJ is quite popular...

What will I learn in BJJ and how practical majority of techniques are?
Some people say that basics of BJJ work but as training evolves it becomes less practical in real situations; cause I am really interested in practical things
???

[CHOKE UK]

thai,
I know you are interested in real practical stuff,
thats why we have searched and found this type of fighting.

Well with regard to your muay thai,
a simple way to see what type you do is ..
tour stance, where and how do you hold your arms ?

True Muay Thai, and by that I mean directly from thailand as they used to train over there.

You dont have a tight guard,
you have hands held above and infront of the head,
ready for the clinch.
Thats what they specialise in knees and elbows.
and their daddy of kicks, what they call the crocodiles tail,
yes the roundhouse, but their shins are made from steel.
(well infact they have a calcium build-up which protects the bone and toughens it and nerves are deadened, thus making the pain, less painfull)

Any way jui jitsu,
well everything that you know would count for alot on almost any other martial arts school,
but in jui jitsu it counts for nothing.

If it is a good one,
you will do much "freefighting",
which can be very tough when you first start.
As you dont just practice your moves,
its more or less fight until someone taps(submits),
Sounds great?
Wait til someone has you by the neck and is throttling you!
Some are more sport oriented than others.
But it really does work.
people know how to throw a punch more or less,
even without attending a single martial arts class,
but people have no idea how to fight or what to do on the ground.
So even a little knowlege helps a lot !

[darrianation]

Bjj has finnishing moves wrestling doesn't.

[CHOKE UK]

Originally posted by darrianation
Bjj has finnishing moves wrestling doesn't.

Well said again,
you have managed to say in one line,
what I couldnt in 30 lines, previously.

[JaredExtreme]

Wrestling and BJJ are both very effective at controlling your opponent on the ground. However, the goals are drastically different. In the wrestling the final objective is to pin your oppenent, whereas in BJJ the objective is to submit your opponent.

Techniques like armbars, chokes, leg/ankle locks are all illegal in wrestling, yet are the backbone of BJJ.

[Cain]

many bjj-classes have a nhb-focus, it gives you a great base to develop on. Mr. Thornton have a few articles about this that i find great! so i would recommend bjj! even though it isn't a selfdefencesystem first, it gives you a strong base where you can develop tools to handle different situations with! but yes, do have a strong standup-base too.. having only one range is very limiting..

[Tom Yum]

Full-contact MT has superior boxing skills along with the traditional clinch knee, but no elbow - an example of this type fighter is Ernesto Hoost, Peter Aerts, Mo Smith and Rufus bros.

Classical MT keeps hands high in front to use elbows, get into the clinch and knee/throw. Their shins are steele; Classical MT looks more like a brawl to the untrained eye and fighters use kicks more often. It is really good for self-defense.

As far as grappling is concerned why not learn wrestling as a base and then buy some of the instructional bjj tapes for the guard work and submissions??

[CHOKE UK]

Originally posted by Cain
many bjj-classes have a nhb-focus, it gives you a great base to develop on. Mr. Thornton have a few articles about this that i find great! so i would recommend bjj! even though it isn't a selfdefencesystem first, it gives you a strong base where you can develop tools to handle different situations with! but yes, do have a strong standup-base too.. having only one range is very limiting..

well said, I'd go along with that Cain.

[CHOKE UK]

Originally posted by Tom Yum
Full-contact MT has superior boxing skills along with the traditional clinch knee, but no elbow - an example of this type fighter is Ernesto Hoost, Peter Aerts, Mo Smith and Rufus bros.

Classical MT keeps hands high in front to use elbows, get into the clinch and knee/throw. Their shins are steele; Classical MT looks more like a brawl to the untrained eye and fighters use kicks more often. It is really good for self-defense.

As far as grappling is concerned why not learn wrestling as a base and then buy some of the instructional bjj tapes for the guard work and submissions??

WEll said, you managed to say in a few lines,
what I struggled to do in a few chapters !

[pseudoswitch]

Originally posted by darrianation
Bjj has finnishing moves wrestling doesn't.

What kind of wrestling are you talking about?

[darrianation]

Originally posted by pseudoswitch


What kind of wrestling are you talking about?

I'm not sure what wrestling that thaiboxer2002 is talking about but I assume he's talking about sport wrestling like Greko-roman or freestyle.

I realize there are other styles like pankreation (spelling?) that do have finnishing moves.

I wrestled in high school we called collegiate style others might refer to it as folk but not sure. I also wrestled on a A.A.U. club From age 12 to 18. We did freestyle. No finninshing techniques here.

[thaiboxer2002]

Hi guys!

Yes, I was talking about greko-roman or freestyle wrestling.
Those dudes are really strong and will put majority of the grapplers (like judo, sambo, jiu-jitsu...) to the ground. But of course - they don't know submissions.