Chi Power!

[Old Fat Kenpoka]

Oy Vay...

[Thai Bri]

Well, if you do TKD and Ki training, you must be pretty invincible by now..........

[Lizard]

Originally posted by tkdkid
well, I only say try looking for it cause I learnt it from different ppl personally, if u cant find someone to teach it to you try looking for sites that mgiht help youw ith it. You actually don't need another person to help you with ki training, it's in every one of us, and we use it daily. This is one neat ki trick I learnt from my friend, try holding your arm out in front of you, and with you other hand press the arm down, while that arm is pressing up.
After counting ten let go of the pressure and the hand over the arm and see what happens. Well, it's upto the individual to believe whatever they wanna believe, I don't eblieve shit unless I either see it or experience it, and ki I have experienced it and try to incorporate it into my trainings. It's just my belief and what I think .

Any positive effect you feel is psychological. But if it works then by all means keep using ki.

Most people in japan do not believe in ki.

When I used to believe in ki I was crap at fighting. Then I realised it was bollocks, did some thai boxing and weight lifting. Now I am a much better fighter.

[mr. bond]

Originally posted by Ghost
Load of nonsence, dont waste your time with it. Always the same, the TKD Karate guys like CHi and the MT BJJ sensible people are realistic.

*cough (bullshit) *cough

i've never, ever heard of a TKD or Karate school applying chi or ki to combat.

and while BJJ is unquestionably effective in the ring, you can't expect to be putting one opponent to shame on the ground while his bar buddies are kicking you in the head.

[RobertG]

Originally posted by GojuBlackBelt
I have been a black belt since 1972. Yes, this really does work. Research it more and study it with an open mind, you will be impressed

Why don't you explain the actual science behind it for us?

I also fail to follow your train of thought here. You've been a black belt since 1972. Therefore chi exists? Your rank as a practioner of Goju Ryu is independent of whether a force exists that has no basis in modern physics and which modern biologists have apparently overlooked.

[Tom Yum]

Originally posted by mr. bond

and while BJJ is unquestionably effective in the ring, you can't expect to be putting one opponent to shame on the ground while his bar buddies are kicking you in the head.

I saw a video clip of a civillian and a drunken body builder fighting on the grassy median of a highway. The body builder looked like he had a 500 lb bench press and kept charging the Jon Doe guy and swinging for the fences.

Jon Doe guy with no MA training jerks his head away from the swings. Bodybuilder guy tries to tackle John Doe, but he sprawls - this continues for about 5 minutes and eventually body builder guy is gassed out! The police arrive and handcuff the exhausted big guy and thank JD for getting the drunk driver off the road.

This clip appeared on one of those "Americas Greatest Police Videos" type shows. Pretty scary, but under that scenario BJJ would have seemed effective.

In a bar crowded with people, BJJ is less effective because of all the variables - people, weapons etc.

[tkdkid]

wait, youre asking me to prove it but how can i prove what i know and feel is ki. How can you disprove it?...Have you even studied ki?...I don't mean to say it should be used in combat, because in order to properly apply it, it'd take a lot of practice in ki. When I sprained my ankle, I went to Korean chiropractor in Flushing Ny Queens, who learnt to use ki from one of seminals in Korea for artenative medication. He went over my ankle few times, and I felt heat from his hand, then I felt no pain in the area...and for those who think im bullshitting, I can give you his address so you can go ask him urself if youre ever in Queens, NY. I mean seriously be more open minded, it doesn;t matter if modern japanese ppl believe in ki or not. I just tried to honestry express my opinion on the subject, and I hope no one makes fun out of my posts. I box, and wrestle, and I practice ki some times...so what? Whatever helps me right, it's not like youre helping me with it, I'm helping myself, and I'm posting how my trainings improved with the use of ki. No, I don;t think it's self hypnosis...but hey anything's possible.

[Turing]

Ki

Well I'm not trying to say I believe or anything, but I have a friend who is a big bodybuilder and works at a gym. He says there is a guy that goes that can release heat from his hands. He said he sat there like meditating and started breathing very very very heavy and then shot opened his hands and like pushed towards my friend, and my friend said he swears the guy shot some very hot air at him. ::shrug::

[tkdkid]

lol...I make ki balls and make ppl feel around my palms. I would place it in either my left or right palm and they always guess which hand has ki ball cause its hot and there's friction. Anyway, ki is easy to practice. Here's how to make an ki ball. No it does not blast through stuff or anything liek that, it's pretty harmless but youc an definately feel its presence. put your plams together and try to feel whats between the palms...whether its just air or not, usually ki flows though the hand the most, thats why we tend to put our hand over our painful areas. Then just feel the energy between the hands growing. Trust me you can feel the energy, then just think or program it to stay on one of your palms and make your friend just scam over each palm slowly and ask if they can feelt he differenc eor something. Look, I'm not trying to say ki can blow ppl away, although a highly concetrated amount of ki I think can...I'm just trying to prove its existance. And I'm practical, I just try to stay open minded.

[RobertG]

Originally posted by tkdkid
wait, youre asking me to prove it but how can i prove what i know and feel is ki. How can you disprove it?...Have you even studied ki?...I don't mean to say it should be used in combat, because in order to properly apply it, it'd take a lot of practice in ki. When I sprained my ankle, I went to Korean chiropractor in Flushing Ny Queens, who learnt to use ki from one of seminals in Korea for artenative medication. He went over my ankle few times, and I felt heat from his hand, then I felt no pain in the area...and for those who think im bullshitting, I can give you his address so you can go ask him urself if youre ever in Queens, NY. I mean seriously be more open minded, it doesn;t matter if modern japanese ppl believe in ki or not. I just tried to honestry express my opinion on the subject, and I hope no one makes fun out of my posts. I box, and wrestle, and I practice ki some times...so what? Whatever helps me right, it's not like youre helping me with it, I'm helping myself, and I'm posting how my trainings improved with the use of ki. No, I don;t think it's self hypnosis...but hey anything's possible.

I should hope you felt heat from the guy's hand. Humans are warmblooded and run somewhere in the vicinity of 98 degrees Fareheit. If you hadn't felt heat from his hands, well I'd either suspect he had circulation problems, he was actually some undead creature, or a some sort of human-reptile hybrid that had lost the ability to maintain a constant body temperature.

So yeah, I'm asking you or anyone who maintains the reality of ki/chi/qi/THE FORCE/etc. to prove it. Lets think about your scenario for a moment shall we? First off, I'll ignore why you went to a chiropractor for an ankle sprain when you could have iced it and stayed off of it for a few days.

So you sprained your ankle. This usually involves microtears in the connective tissue/muscles. The body usually fixes this itself--it involves a lot of processes, but we'll narrow it down. If your tissue is torn we'll just say you need to synthesize new tissue to fix the micro-tears. This would involve protein synthesis. This is under hormonal regulation. So a guy waves his hand over your ankle and its all better. So we could entertain the possibility that he trasmitted fully formed proteins from his hands, across the air, through your skin and into your ankle, where they were rapidly incorporated into your damaged tissue. Of course, you'd have an antibody reaction to foreign proteins trying to cross your skin. And he'd have to have a mechanism for extruding tissue specific proteins. So I think we can rule out this possibility.

There is also the possibility that his "energy" intitated a cascade of hormonal responses that increased the rate of tissue repair. There are a number of problems with this scenario. First, the "energy" in question needs to be something we can measure. Its got to some form of electromagnetic energy. The human body generates small, but measurable amounts of electrical energy. So he'd have to have a way to pool electrical energy in his hand and broadcast electricity across the air and into your body. Go study the physics of transfering electricity through the air. Doesn't work so well unless you are Tesla. Thats why we have power lines. But I'll grant that he's a mutant X-man that can zap people with electricity. Well then you'd have felt a shock, not heat. Then I wonder how zapping your ankle with electricity would induce production of anabolic compounds in the body. Especially since the ankle contains no hormone producing organs. But here we go...electricity zaps your damaged ankle tissue, which then starts a cascade which induces the body to go into anabolic mode. Well see the problem here is that the reason that it takes a while for your ankle to heal in the first place is the same reason it takes a while to build muscle--its a resource limited process. Without enough protein in your diet and a surplus of calories, its unlikely that your tissue regeneration is going to proceed quickly. So in order for your ankle to miraculously heal in this scenario, you'd have to have just downed several massive protein shakes several hours before. Then suddenly, because this guy zaps you with electricity, the body rushes the repair job with all the new raw materials you've provided. I'm guessing you didn't do anything out of the ordinary with your diet in the days/hours beforehand, so its unlikely there was enough raw material around to do a rush healing job.

So we are left with yet another possibility--somehow ki miraculously trasforms material A to material B. And not just that, somehow moves it into the right place. See in the above scenario the problem is that it violates thermodyanmic laws. You can't make new tissue any faster without the raw material. His ki isn't going to make new material appear out of thin air. So we can ask, can ki turn, oh lets say blood into ankle tissue? So he waves his hands and somehow blood molecules in the nearby veins/arteries are transformed into the various damaged tissues of the ankle. This involves a great deal of probably thermodynamically unfavorable, if not impossible chemical reactions. I'm not quite sure how you turn a red blood cell into muscle fiber. But X-man chiropractor can do it. Not only that, he can move this newly transformed tissue into exactly the right place from some other site in your body.

Now we are left to ask, what is more realistic--you have deluded yourself or this doctor can violate all the laws of physics, chemistry and biology?? This isn't a matter of being open-minded. This is a matter of how the universe works. If you even think through what you are describing on a really simplisitic level it is totally impossible. Zapping molecules with electrical energy from your hand cannot turn them into specific functional molecules. If this were the case, then chemical factories would use electricity to make industrial molecules. It would be a lot cleaner than using a series of reactions with catalysts to do things. You just take any raw material, zap with electricity and it becomes whatever molecule you want. Moreover, you wouldn't even need chemists because apparently you just take a seminar in Korea and they teach you how to turn one molecule into any other molecule you want.

If you have a scientific explanation for how your ankle got healed, I'd love to hear it.

[RobertG]

Originally posted by tkdkid
lol...I make ki balls and make ppl feel around my palms. I would place it in either my left or right palm and they always guess which hand has ki ball cause its hot and there's friction. Anyway, ki is easy to practice. Here's how to make an ki ball. No it does not blast through stuff or anything liek that, it's pretty harmless but youc an definately feel its presence. put your plams together and try to feel whats between the palms...whether its just air or not, usually ki flows though the hand the most, thats why we tend to put our hand over our painful areas. Then just feel the energy between the hands growing. Trust me you can feel the energy, then just think or program it to stay on one of your palms and make your friend just scam over each palm slowly and ask if they can feelt he differenc eor something. Look, I'm not trying to say ki can blow ppl away, although a highly concetrated amount of ki I think can...I'm just trying to prove its existance. And I'm practical, I just try to stay open minded.

Yep, you can feel a lot of weird things when you're on drugs.

You cannot make ki balls in your hands. I really hate to be the one to break it to you. There is no ki, and you can't ball it up in your hands. That is totally silly. You can feel it in your head because you've deluded yourself into thinking you have a ball of magic energy in your hands.

What is ki made of? What part of the electromagnetic spectrum does it comprise? Is it a particle or a wave? And how on Earth did ki evolve?? Did dinosaurs blast each other with ki balls? What organ is responsible for the generation of ki? I mean I could go on and on with the questions. If you are presenting incredible claims then you need some serious hard data. How about at least digging out some papers from a physics journal or a medical journal or something?

[tkdkid]

um no frankly I'm too lazy to do anything like that. Why are you bashing something that you have no idea about, or me for that matter, well if you feel that way, it's you and everyone's entitled to their own opinion. And my opinion is mine and mine alone, but at least respect other ppls opinion and don;t call them crackheads.

[terry]

Burton Richardson said it pretty succintly: "It's fine to have an open mind, but don't have your mind so open that your brain falls out."

[tkdkid]

haha once again that's your opinion. And if you wanna think i'm some crackhead do so, it's no harm to me whatsoever.

[RobertG]

Originally posted by tkdkid
um no frankly I'm too lazy to do anything like that. Why are you bashing something that you have no idea about, or me for that matter, well if you feel that way, it's you and everyone's entitled to their own opinion. And my opinion is mine and mine alone, but at least respect other ppls opinion and don;t call them crackheads.

Crackheads talk about things that do not exist. You talk about things that do not exist. This is not a matter of your opinion or my opinion. It is a matter of reality versus your imagination. You get the two confused. What you have described violates any number of physical laws, things that have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by people much smarter and observant than you or I. The fact that you admit that you admit being too lazy to actually investigate any other opinion about this speaks volumes about you I think. If you were looking for a discussion you'd go and investigate the science behind your claim and then form an opinion. You present a story that violates all known laws of the universe and expect people to take it at face value. Then they question your amazing story and you are too lazy to actually think about it. I would respect your opinion if you were willing to actually provide something to back it up. Its sad to see this post-modernism sociology crap has pervaded the society so much. Not all opinions are equal. Not all worldviews are equal. Science is not a social construct. And some things are just plain wrong. Ki is just plain wrong. Incredible claims require incredible evidence. That your ankle felt better after some guy waved his hand over you is not compelling evidence. I'm sure you are a fine fellow, but if you want to persist on these absurd claims, then I will continue to ask for evidence and data.