Judo -- self defense

[Szczepankiewicz]

No, no, no... you've got it all wrong fellow. A little Kazushi followed by a Tai O Toshi and it's all over but the crying....

[jukado1]

judo for self-defense?

Pure sport judo training is not the best way to train for self-defense, but not incorperating some judo training in your self-defense is taking away an effective tool in your self-defense arsenal, it would not be a great idea to plan on grabbing an oppenent and throwing them, but if you find yourself there a throw, or a choke or an arm lock in the right setuatation is an effective tool.

[Thai Bri]

The incidental contact you speak of is nothing like the efforts of some vicious and enraged scum bag. I agree that Judo can be good self defence, but surely you agree it has to be adapted.

[RobertG]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
The incidental contact you speak of is nothing like the efforts of some vicious and enraged scum bag. I agree that Judo can be good self defence, but surely you agree it has to be adapted.

Nope. Our class is pretty much like fighting a bunch of vicious and enraged scumbags. Its quite ugly. Multiple nut shots tonight. Kneed in the mouth. Toes stomped on. No, I think the guys I train with are really a much nastier lot than anyone I'll meet on the streets. Quite frankly it'd be a relief to fight someone who wasn't as viscious as these guys.

Seriously, depending on the situation I'd like to have options besides judo. Thats' why I train in other arts. But if I had my preference, I'd much rather dump a guy on his head on the concrete than mess around trying to strike him or rolling on the ground. I mean you say adapted, but in what sense? Under the right circumstances, judo works perfectly no matter where the fight is. Under the wrong circumstances, it doesn't work. Just like BJJ will work in the right circumstances, just like MT will work. Its not that these things need to be adapted, its more like you need to be flexible enough to incorporate them all.

[Grape_Ape]

RobertG: Where do you train? Just wonder so I never make the mistake of going there. I enjoy my gonads intact.

[falcon3624]

Sounds like my class. Hit to the groin, jaw, nose, knees, eyes......had my shoulder dislocated about 3 weeks ago and some ligiments in my knee torn......lol.......all in fun

[Tom Yum]

Its generally not a good idea to injure yourself while training, afterall you're just training. Every once in a while you can test your intensity, but this shouldn't be done on a regular basis unless you're about to compete.

As you advance, you're more likely to get slight injuries - but tearing and breaking things is going to add up over the years. The time to go without stops is if you're in the ring or in the street. Professional fighters earn a living from their fight success and if they get injuries they can't fight. They're not allways going at it 100%.

[falcon3624]

Most of my worse injuries come a couple months before a competition or fight. That's when we start kicking up the tempo. Other things like the nut checks and pops in the mouth and nose can't be helped.

[Roland]

Originally posted by falcon3624
Most of my worse injuries come a couple months before a competition or fight. That's when we start kicking up the tempo. Other things like the nut checks and pops in the mouth and nose can't be helped.

"Nut checks"?

What're those?

Can't they just take your word that they're there?

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by Roland


"Nut checks"?

What're those?

Can't they just take your word that they're there?

Yea well, some people obviously need to make sure......a nut check it taking a very unnecesary hit to the family jewls.

[Thai Bri]

"I mean you say adapted, but in what sense?" Adapting Judo

Rediscover Atemi Waza. Striking before delivering a blow or submission, as well as defending against the strikes, changes the game totally.

Also, what do you do to simulate fighting someone who is not wearing a handy strong jacket to grip?

Get rid of the many ancillary techniques. The fancy throws, especially sacrifice throws.

"Under the right circumstances, judo works perfectly no matter where the fight is. Under the wrong circumstances, it doesn't work."

You are proving my point. You can't choose the circumstances in self protection. Make it into something that will give you a chance of making it work no matter what the circumstances.

[falcon3624]

I think Judo is a good thing to learn because alot of the throws work fairly well even in a street fighting situation, and even if they dont' you can adapt them and change something about them to make them more suited against someone who strikes. There is a guy that came down and fought NHB in New Orleans and he did Judo. He took traditional Judo throws and adapted them to street fighting. He looked pretty dangerous out there and was throwing his opponent all over the place. Now, I am not saying that all people could be like this because he was clearly extrodinary, but can get some of the moves to some degree. I have a brown belt in Judo and I quite often find myself using the throws in my BJJ/BT class. It's all about timing though and if you don't have that then you don't have anything. For someone like me it works out perfect because I am a heavy striker and rely on it in a fight and whether I am grappling, boxing, or streetfighting I am always looking for the punching combos.......I notice alot of people in my BJJ class don't really watch for it and I will tell them quite often "Hey, if we were in a streetfight right now you just left yourself open to get knocked out" and most of the guys now have started looking more at that aspect. I think it is mostly being aware whether you are in a striking fight or a grappling fight if you are in a position to be hit and guarding against that.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

A lot of Judo throws are done with the back facing the opponent, wouldn't most striking art people perform an elbow on the back of the neck or something like it
Also in a full bar, it's easier to stike someone than to throw him
Because of this my Dad, a Judoka for 40 + years out of which 30+ as a teacher, considders striking arts better suited for selfdefence

Don't forget you have to start your throw the moment you get hold of him otherwise the striker will do anything to break the hold

In MMA events you rarely see a judotype throw, most of the time a double or single leg takedown

First you have to bridge the gap, break the balance and then start the throw, double or single leg takedowns are just best for that

[Szczepankiewicz]

In MMA events you rarely see a judotype throw, most of the time a double or single leg takedown

And as we all know, MMA is the true test of what works and what does not in self defense...

[Michael Neal]

its not very easy to strike a judoka once he has a hold of you, even less chance to break the grip if all you study is striking arts.