Judo -- self defense

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Originally posted by Michael Neal
its not very easy to strike a judoka once he has a hold of you, even less chance to break the grip if all you study is striking arts.

Yeah right, like I didn't train to break hold

Spanky you are on a roll of misunderstanding me on purpose , you know I don't think MMA is equal to a real fight but the distance is quite the same making it just as hard to bridge the gap

[Tom Yum]

I got caught with an uppercut that seemingly came out of no where while sparring a judoka - if you practice the art, you are familiar with the deceptiveness of holding the gi

[Szczepankiewicz]

Yama,

You think I'm just being difficult? Well, I've never been so insulted in all my life....

I think MMA is close to a real (one-on-one) fight.

However, as I've stated before, and yes I realize you know the difference Yama , a fight is not the same thing as self-defense.


I think my bias stems from reading the new Renzo Gracie book. Renzo is fairly open minded with what he puts into print, however he still falls back on the old adage that 'mma fights' prove this or prove that....

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As far as Judo being used for self defense, I think some of the techniques and a lot of the guiding principles can be used. However, as General Nipplesworth pointed out, it would take some heavy adaptation to ensure that it is 'street worthy'.

Hell, given enough adaptation you can make Tae Bo 'street worthy'.

If I can teach a monkey to **** a football, I can make Judo a self defense art...

Spanky

[falcon3624]

What do you think the military does. Everyone talks about how judo is a sport and bjj is a sport and all this and that. Judo and bjj are both taught in the military. Therefore there must be some good points to it that can be used for self-defense.

The military h2h is a combination of many different martial arts put together into an "ultimate" fighting style. Some judo throws were included into this system.

[Tom Yum]

Originally posted by Szczepankiewicz


If I can teach a monkey to **** a football, I can make Judo a self defense art...

Spanky

That's got to be quote of the year. Assuming it is fact, I see how your duck flotation device, gel and two accomplices makes sense.

[Roland]

A lot of Judo throws are done with the back facing the opponent, wouldn't most striking art people perform an elbow on the back of the neck or something like it

The next time a Judoka grabs you and then tries for O-goshi, just TRY and elbow him in the back of the neck. This is only possible if he enters and attempts the throw with the blinding speed of a geriatric on valium. At those running molasses type speeds, ANY technique will fail and will result in the person attempting it getting an elbow in the back of his neck.

First you have to bridge the gap, break the balance and then start the throw, double or single leg takedowns are just best for that

"Bridging the gap" - how many self-defense situations start off with both the "victim" and the "assailant" squared off at a distance of 12 feet apart? I'm sorry, I just can't picture any "assailant" actually making his intentions known until he's right up next to you - in that case, the gap is bridged...by HIM. If he demands his victim's wallet from 12 feet away, his victim would probably: 1) run away (and probably get away in which case Mr. Mugger has expended a lot of calories with no $$$$ to gain for it), 2) be prepared for a confrontation (which makes Mr. Mugger's job a lot more difficult since he now may have to really fight Mr. Victim rather than have the luxury of sucker-punching him), 3) pull out a weapon and turn the tables on the assailant (in which case Mr. Mugger becomes a statistic and, depending on where this happens, Mr. Victim is either trumpeted as a hero or a greater danger to society than Mr. Mugger).

[Szczepankiewicz]

Judo and bjj are both taught in the military.

Falcon, have you been in the military? If so, you'd realize how silly that sounds...

In the military they teach you to scrub the floors with a toothbrush.

Moral of the story: Not everything in the military is the best for combat.

Especially when everything is made by the lowest bidder.

Haw! Haw! Haw!


Yumsfelt,

I'll send you the video.

Spanky

[Tom Yum]

OK, now how about that Alan Burress Hapkido review? JUST DO IT - Nike.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by Szczepankiewicz


Falcon, have you been in the military? If so, you'd realize how silly that sounds...

In the military they teach you to scrub the floors with a toothbrush.

Moral of the story: Not everything in the military is the best for combat.

Especially when everything is made by the lowest bidder.

Haw! Haw! Haw!


Yumsfelt,

I'll send you the video.

Spanky

You know what ESAD means Spanky? It means eat sh@t and die. Yea, I was in the military and what't it to ya. You gonna tell me they don't teach something that they do? Sometimes I wonder why me or anyone else would ever want to go into the military to defend bastards and little pricks like you.

[Tom Yum]

He's tugging your chain, man.

[Szczepankiewicz]

So I'm a little prick AND a bastard? Well, I can't really top that.


I guess you don't appreciate the fact that everything the military uses is made by the lowest bidder and not all the training that everyone gets is as high-speed, low-drag as their recruitment commercials.

My brother in law is getting back from Iraq in a few days. I'll ask him how many Iraqi soldiers 'tapped out' to his ne waza.

I know if someone was firing a Kalishnakov at me, I'd go in for the double leg, to mount, to Americana and show them what fer!!!


Hell yeah, Judo and BJJ are the SHIZNET for combat baby!!!

[falcon3624]

I did not say that Judo and BJJ are the basis for the military hand to hand combat training although I did say there were some techniques included from both. The moves were included in hand to hand combat and modified from there original version. Anyone that has been through the special ops hand to hand combat course will tell you that there are many different martial arts that are combined into one and BJJ was the main source for the grappling techniques and Judo played a role in the takedown area.

Do you honestly think they would send us out there to defend the country without knowing how to fight if we ran out of ammo? There are many different scenarios you have to look at and one of them is that you might run out of ammo in combat situation. We did alot of hand to hand combat and knife training, and although there are not many cases where soldiers have ran out of ammo in combat it is a posibility.

[Lizard]

If I ran out of ammo I would either run away or surrender. If you're fighting people who have guns and you don't have one then it would seem wise to stop fighting them. Unless your enemies run out of ammo too, even so I thought that all soldiers would carry a knife. Also if you are in a group then couldn't they share some of their ammo with you?

I've never been in the military, I do not claim to know alot about warfare. These are just some thoughts that I had.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by Lizard
If I ran out of ammo I would either run away or surrender. If you're fighting people who have guns and you don't have one then it would seem wise to stop fighting them. Unless your enemies run out of ammo too, even so I thought that all soldiers would carry a knife. Also if you are in a group then couldn't they share some of their ammo with you?

I've never been in the military, I do not claim to know alot about warfare. These are just some thoughts that I had.

Lizard, sometimes there are missions that are suppose to be in and out and you end up not being able to get out. When something like this happens and you have limited supplies sometimes you had to adapt. A good example is what happened in the Mog. Like I said before we did a lot of hand to hand combat and knife training. Sometimes when you are doing recon and stuff like that when you might only have 2 people with you and have around 100 enemies around you might not want to shoot your rifle into the air and let them know you are there. In a situation like that it helps to know how to sneak up on someone and kill them with your barehands or your knife.

[Lizard]

Yes I suppose close combat does have it's place where stealth is important. Good point.