Shuai-Chiao

[Mag0t]

Does anyone study Shuai-Chiao that is actually legit? Which is recognized by the International Shuai Chiao Association. Grandmaster Gene L. Chicoine is the president. Everyone else is a joke. All of these people say they are masters they are nothing. I just want to see if anyone is training in Legit Shuai-Chiao or fake.

[Tom Yum]

Why not tell us more about the style? Its not widely practiced.

[Mag0t]

I did not write this , This is a quote. I was not sure on the exact dates so I am using this quote. I know about it just not certain of the exact dates.
CHINESE SHUAI-CHIAO, THE MOTHER OF KUNG FU

Shuai-Chiao, the Mount Everest of China's martial arts ranges, is a famous killing style paneratium in its sublimity of Kung fu package. This age-old technique strikes a combination of every telling trick in blows, kicks, locks and throws as what is known as Shuai, the throwing; Nah, grappling; Tien, fatal pointing and Tah, striking.

However, Shuai-Chiao was not historicized until it was first used by Yellow Emperor (Huang-Ti, 2690 B.C.) to beat down his legendary archenemy, Chih-Yiu. The highly combatant art was called Chiao-Tih at the time.

Down to the Cheu Dynasty (1134 B.C.), the technique, then known as Chiao-Lih, was made an important course to train soldiers. As time went by, it became much more popularized around 264 B.C. Not only did Shuai-Chiao then exist as a major game in both civilian and military activities, but also was it ascertained as a regular monarch entertainment.

In about 140 B.C., Shuai-Chiao came to a new peak. Emperor Wu of the Han Dynasty was so crazy about the art that he proclaimed it the permanent royal recreation. During his reign, he inspired such a heat that people of all walks swarmed to watch the Shuai-Chiao tournaments from a circuit of 500 miles. At the time, Chiao-Tih was its given name.

From generation after generation, this monarchial technique was passed down. Thus it came to the Shuoi Dynasty (610 A.D.). In the sixth year of Emperor Young's ruling, a nation wide contest was held on Tuan-Mon Street. The event lasted for 30 days and the Emperor himself, in plain clothes, was a ringside frequenter.

So the tradition was set for the yearly tournament. There was a national meet held on each 15th day of the first Calendar month. More and more, this conventional art rooted into the life of the ancient Chinese.

Nevertheless, as politics always have some say in regards to the sports, Emperor Kao-Tsu of Tang Dynasty (618 A.D.), who must have preferred seeing Shuai-Chiao games in warmer days, ordered them to hold the yearly tournaments on each 15th day of the 17th Calendar month.

Shuai-Chiao, having been taken as a top-drawer martial art, was a privilege course for monarchial training for some 300 years (618-907 A.D.). As a result, there turned out many supreme rulers who were expert throwers as well.

During the time of Kubla Khan (1216 A.D.), this technique was boosted to another high. Various names were given to it as Poh-Ho, Tsong-Chiao or Hsiang-Puh, the last of which has ever since been used by Japanese till now for there Sumo wrestling.

Arriving at the end of the Ming Dynasty (1644 A.D.), while the Manchurian invaders were overwhelming, a Chekiang native called Cheng Woon-Pin, 52, good at pugilism and little Shuai-Chiao, was sent to Japan to aid, together with his comrades, Chu Shum-Shuei and Lee Mei-Shi. Stricken by result less efforts and growing political pressure, they could go nowhere but stay at a Buddhist Temple, therein they taught 3 Samurai students namely, Fukunoshiehile-Wuemon, Mirulayosi Wuemen, and Isomizile Saemon, the Shuai-Chiao techniques, which later on were developed into Judo.

In Ching Dynasty (1644 A.D.), this fantastic art became to listed of the monarch activities. The new rulers set up a "Good-Wrestlers' Camp" (Shan-Pah Ying), packing about 300 tiger team Shuai-Chiao experts, all-time ready for royal entertainments, foreign challenges, national tournaments and majestic reviews. Tribal teams from Mongolians, Uigurs, Tibetan champions and other combative districts were more than often sent to challenge the Camp.

After this Republic was established in 1911, Shuai-Chiao was spread wide in the south. A Governor Ma-Liang of Shantung province organized a Martial arts' Battalian and deemed Shuai-Chaio as the name of this traditional technique in his training curriculums. Further in the 1928, a General Chang-Chih-Chiang set up a Central-Kung fu (Kuo-Shu) Institute in Nanking and Shuai-Chiao was a required course for students, selected from each local province for advanced training. Thus the name Shuai-Chiao has been known till now.

SPECIALTY
Shuai-Chiao, a sublime combination of all fighting techniques, is a super science of mechanics. It carries out time, speed, force and angle to its highest gear, applying free use of blow kicks, catches, and locks by the conveyance of throwing.

For modern-day exercise convince, current practitioners lower the killing levels and separated a complete Kung fu into Judo, Aikido, Fatal Point Striking and Karate. Actually, all of the above four summed up make basic parcel of Shuai-Chiao.

As Shuai-Chiao comprehends techniques of both offensives and defensives, it focuses applications of all parts of human body in properly managing them to operates the strength by saving, borrowing, and returning the enemy's power so as to effectively beat down the rival.

From all of the techniques devised by earlier practitioners, came all of the latter day styles as in Hsing Yi, Pa Qua, Lo Han and Tai Chi Chen. Shuai-Chiao was the most deadly form of martial arts ever devised.

The Father of modern day Shuai-Chiao was Grand Master Dung Sheng Chang. Upon his untimely death in 1986, the command passed to Master Gene L. Chicoine, 9th Degree Black Belt and 13th son to the, his late teacher and First Vice President of the International Shuai-Chiao Association, and now its President and highest ranked in the world in Shuai-Chiao. Master Chicoine is probably the last head of style to be tested by combat and not sport.

[Mag0t]

Shuai-Chiao is not a sport for you people who take "Americanized" martial arts. It is a deadly martial. The saying I have learned is you end the fight in 3 seconds or less unless the person is running from you. Three seconds on an average combo I could break three bones.

[Tom Yum]

Cool. Can you give us a technical explanation of the principles? I've seen photos of Xing Yi and Ba Gua so perhaps you could explain their techniques. What city do you train and are there shuai-jiao schools in Texas?

Thks

[Tom Yum]

Also how do you feel xing-yi, ba gua and tai ji blend with shuai jiao? Do they share the same principles?

[Lizard]

"Shuai-Chiao was the most deadly form of martial arts ever devised."

I'm always wary of people who make such claims. I too would like an explaination of their techniques. I always thought the most deadly martial arts would be bazooka-do and geneticaly engineererd super virus - jitsu.

"Everyone else is a joke. All of these people say they are masters they are nothing."

Why is your oranisation the best then? Have you actualy tested any other masters to see if they really are all jokes?

[Tom Yum]

Mag0t is a troll.

She's the same kind of person that says "all BJJ, muay thai, FMA, JKD and Sambo people were in awe of this style"

Same sh!t, just re-spawned.

[Lizard]

Tom gave you a chance to prove your art. You must accept the challenge or be branded a troll.

[Mag0t]

If you would read the post I made it tells you the basic techniques. Also you think these other martial arts are similar, we'll because Shuai Chiao was the first Martial Art which everyone took pieces from. We can not test against others because we are taught for combat not sport, no pads..no mats...full contact if you mess up on a block say you are going to get hurt which makes people a better fighter, which incase they would most likely be serverly hurt in the hospital if not dead. We fight over in Asia in full contact tournaments no holds bars. Only thing we use is a piece velcro over the knuckles to stop from tearing a face apart.

I am not a teacher so I am not going to tell you the techniques. I posted the basics of them. I read your posts Tom about Dim Mak...I believe it was you but dont have time to look again. You are sadly mistaken if you believe it is not true. go to www.schuaichiao.com Grandmaster Gene Chicoine, who has also been in many magazines knows it. He passed his Chi through a guy and left the hand print on his back, now if he stopped the chi on the inside of his body it would rupture his heart which would be the touch of death. If you know anything about modern day physics you would know that all momentum and force is accounted for, it can not just disappear and I will leave it at that.

Oh yes, tom posted about stances, yes they are very useful you just do not understand them maybe because you do not train them.

[Mag0t]

Originally posted by Lizard
Tom gave you a chance to prove your art. You must accept the challenge or be branded a troll.

I have to prove nothing until I am in a fight. I do not only train in this art but also Uechi style and a few others.

[falcon3624]

I don't see as where you have proven anything. You say that you can end any fight in 3 seconds as long as the person does not run from you and I am sorry but that is the biggest load of shit I have ever heard. I have never met anyone that can go walk up to just any random person, start a fight, and end it in 3 seconds or less. Why don't you come down and start a fight with me or Tom? I can promise you the fight probably won't go longer than 10 seconds but you won't get the outcome you desire.

Where is the proof of what your style can do in competition? Last time I checked I didn't see any of you guys out there competing in NHB or fighting in any kind of comp. All too many times we see people that say they can drop someone with one hit. You know what I can too if I say "hey, stand there for a second and let me hit you". Fact of the matter is that hitting someone in a demonstration is not like hitting someone on the street (maybe you should try that sometime and see how far your style takes you).

Just the same old "chi" and "dim mak" bull that keeps getting preached over and over again to no avail. No matter how much you spatter off at the mouth you are not going to gain anyones beleif without legitimate proof of the effectiveness of your claims.

[Mag0t]

Yes it will end in 3 seconds, I do not start fights, you come and fight me and you will see how many bones will be broken. See you do not understand or can not read well. This is NOT A COMPETITION STYLE! You must be slow or something. Noone said anything about one hit. Someone hitting me in the street is going to be softer than they hit me in the Dojo trust me. Thats part of the training body conditioning, you pretty much get the shit punched and kicked out of you until you can not feel it. When you do it for 35 years.....you are not not going to be able to hurt me much. haha that has to be the best comment I have hear hey stand there and let me hit you........lmao thats what we do for training.....

[Lizard]

Before this turns into another chi thread I'd like to say something about stances.

Horse riding stance is terrible.

Pros:

Hard for someone to hit your back or back of head
Hard for someone to move you sideways

Cons:

Easy for someone to hit you in the inside of the leg

Easy for someone to hit you in the groin

Easy for someone to hit you in the ribs

Easy for someone to hit you in the solar plexus

Easy for someone to hit you in the side of face

Easy for someone to hit you in the front of face

Easy for someone to push you backwards or pull you forwards

Conclusion: Not a good stance for fighting in

Magot's conclusion: You must be doing it wrong then!

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by Mag0t
Yes it will end in 3 seconds, I do not start fights, you come and fight me and you will see how many bones will be broken. See you do not understand or can not read well. This is NOT A COMPETITION STYLE! You must be slow or something. Noone said anything about one hit. Someone hitting me in the street is going to be softer than they hit me in the Dojo trust me. Thats part of the training body conditioning, you pretty much get the shit punched and kicked out of you until you can not feel it. When you do it for 35 years.....you are not not going to be able to hurt me much. haha that has to be the best comment I have hear hey stand there and let me hit you........lmao thats what we do for training.....

Okay first off you say that standing there and hitting each other is something that you do in practice. You are an idiot if you stand there and let someone hit you. I do MT and we actually try to block punches and kicks. And how do you know that the people in your dojo are the hardest hitting mofo's out there? As everyone else knows I am 6'2" 240lbs. and I have not met anyone that can take and onslaught from a 240lbs. MT boxer.

If you think you can just walk up to a Thai boxer or a BJJ fighter and start breaking bones you are friggin' nuts and obviously you have been hit in the head one too many times.

The basic problem here is that if you think this crap-fu you are taking is the best then you should go find you a half descent MMA and go get your ass handed to you. And by the way when you have been through 35yrs. of standing there and getting punched in the head just for the hell of it I will kick your ass in about 10 seconds (that is the amount of time it is going to take your wheelchair to hit the bottom of the grand canyon after I push you over the side).