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  • #76
    You probably read something where Tyson was talking about killing someone. Tyson talks about all sorts of craziness all the time; killing, raping, cannibalizing. And yes, some of that stuff he actually does sooner or later.

    But so far, none of his boxing opponents have really died after fighting him.

    Sapp (or for that matter, any steroided giant from the NFL or pro wrestling) does have the strength to hurt and knock out anyone. But not the skill.

    Sapp is really not much more than a novice fighter. Tyson, even today's over-the-hill, poorly-trained Tyson, has way too much experience and skill for any novice, even a big one. Tyson still has too much skill for most pro heavyweight boxers; he's better than all but the top rung.

    It sounds like you box, so you probably know by now that a good smaller fighter (of any discipline, boxing, wrestling, martial arts) can beat any novice/poor bigger fighter in the same discipline. Sure you can find exceptions, but it'll be because the novice is freakishly talented or lucky. Sapp, while lucky so far, is not too talented; he's just big.

    For example, there are stories in the gyms about Ray Leonard or Tommy Hearns or Casius Clay coming in as kids off the street and beating trained club boxers. But remember, Sapp is not Leonard/Hearns/Clay. Rather, it's Tyson who (at least used to be) mentioned in the same breath as those super talents. If Tyson still retains 50% of what he used to have, it'll be more than enough.

    In fact, how about this to stir up discussion: Not only would Tyson have an easy time with Sapp, but so would the good lighter weight boxers like obviously Jones (who could beat Tyson)but also Hopkins and Mayorga and Tszyu. Granted, the lighter you go the more likely it becomes for Sapp to just corner and squash the little boxer. But chances are, the great lighter boxers could move and then land something on Sapp's chin and that's all it would take. Muscle and fat don't help you when a champion's glove hits your jaw, and Sapp has trouble taking punches even from non-boxers.

    Now line up any boxers in pads across from Sapp on the gridiron and it's a whole different story...

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    • #77
      can't believe I'm posting here.. (ah well couldn't resist)

      Tyson signing a management contract with K-1 from the official K-1 site: http://www.k-1gp.net/top546.htm
      Also a mention of the original confrontation between Sapp/Tyson (near the top of the page after the Sapp/Kimo description):


      I'll try to state just the obvious (it is to tempting to get in a flame war with some of the less intellectually endowed forum members )

      1. K-1 Rules.
      Means Low kicks + knees + boxing rules for the hand work (no elbows).
      The boxing rules are a little relaxed, meaning that hitting with other parts of the glove than the front is tolerated (although not encouraged) and you can also see some unorthodox punches like back fists, spinning back fists etc (if not very often)
      Sapp's slapping crosses with the inside of the gloves would not be tolerated in a straight boxing match, but are acceptable in K-1 fights.
      Finally clinches are not forbidden but are discouraged (meaning that the referee will usually step in and separate the fighters if the spectators cannot see something happening)

      This pretty much sets the stage for the fight.

      2. Sapp.
      ... has poor balance / posture / footwork.
      cannot absorb a punishing blow to the body ,head, or legs (see Hoost to the legs, kidneys/ribs, CroCop to the head) Those that have not seen that punch (and the eye injury bit is b**shit) should definitely see it. Usually for a heavyweight fighter to go down like that, he would have to be hit in the temple, ear or jaw, Sapp is hit on the side of the forehead and still he crumbles! Don't take my word for it. Look at this clip:
      http://www.freewebs.com/martial_arts/crocop-sapp.WMV or http://www.angelfire.com/alt2/bobsapp/crocop-sapp.WMV (mirror)
      Also a decent step by step of the fight in this thread: http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/s...&threadid=8103

      On the other hand Sapp has a good reach, is intimidating to look at, and getting hit by a tree trunk of a hand even if it is moving at very slow speeds is not good for you. (if you look at the Sapp/Hoost fight you'll see Hoost at a time try to block a wild left slaphook by Sapp which pushes him 1/2 meter to the right on an equally akward right which lifts him bodily in the air to send him dazed (but unhurt) on the canvas.

      Would Tyson try to block Sapp like that? or would he just duck under (not hard given the height difference) and shovel punch Sapp's ribs in??)

      Most K-1 fighter don't bob and weave that much for fear of knees and try to fight standing straight. Against Sapp, Tyson doesn't have to worry about this.

      The only way I can see Sapp troubling Tyson is by adopting an "NFL running back approach", trying to push (not punch) Tyson to the ropes and lean on him to suffocate him, on the principle that it is very hard to sidestep a locomotive, and Tyson was never too good at fast retreats with defensive jabs or other punches, he always liked to work the medium to close range of fight with a lot of upper body lateral movement.

      To sum it up:
      If Sapp tries any kind of hitting (while not running forward and pushing away at the same time), he will be killed!
      If Sapp tries to guard his fragile head he will be killed with body blows! (A couple would be more than enough).
      If Sapp tries to guard his fragile ribs he will be killed! (although it would be a little harder for Tyson to reach his head at 2+ meters)
      If he tries any other strategy than pushing Tyson away and frustrating him with his dominating body weight, he will be killed!

      3. Tyson.
      Is not what he used to be by far..
      Even so he is still among the top ranks.
      If he can hit at 80% of his previous power, and move at 60% of his previous speed it's more than enough. (he's not fighting lewis or roy jones, he's fighting a 170kgs behemoth).

      Bottomline:
      An extremely lucky Sapp against an extremely arrogant (careless) Tyson, might find a way to hurt him (by stepping on his toes perharps?). In any other possible world he's on his way to the hospital (again) after a short rest on the ring canvas.

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      • #78
        sapp will lose

        sapp is too busy appearing in commercials in japan.
        he doesn't have enough time to train.
        anyways, he's too slow. also, he lost to a skinny european guy.
        i think he's just an average bear only beating japanese midgets.

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        • #79
          Re: sapp will lose

          Originally posted by iwanthermes

          also, he lost to a skinny european guy.
          Who happens to be the best striker on the planet.

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          • #80
            K, nuff discussion... time to call it:

            SHASAN calls: Tyson by KO in the first round.

            what's your call?

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            • #81
              Bob Sapp is BS

              Did any of you guys see the crocop v. bob sapp? i can easily see tyson doing this to bob sapp...

              Went down in the first round when one punch connected to his face. weak sauce.

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              • #82
                As I said in another thread. I will hope Tyson fight against Crocop and not Sapp. I like CroCopp but it is hard to be knockouted. In a furious pace of punches.

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                • #83
                  this fight will not be a boxing match... it will quickly degenerate into an all out street fight... once one of them gets pissed they will resort to dirtier and dirtier tricks...

                  tyson should have just challenged sapp to a straight up MMA fight IMO... bcs thats what its gonna end up being anyways

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                  • #84
                    in most cases of a size differential,
                    a highly skilled smaller fighter can
                    beat a larger novice, I've seen this in
                    Boxing as well as Judo. With weight
                    differences of upto 100 lbs of muscle.
                    But the question here is a difference of
                    160 lbs difference ?
                    Is that the threshold at which size does matter ??

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                    • #85
                      if you saw sapp fight kimo you would understand why he won't last one round with tyson....

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                      • #86
                        I don't think Roy Jones could beat Mike Tyson. Jones has the best skills but the power difference between them is too much.

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                        • #87
                          Re: can't believe I'm posting here.. (ah well couldn't resist)

                          Originally posted by ad_infinitum
                          Tyson signing a management contract with K-1 from the official K-1 site: http://www.k-1gp.net/top546.htm
                          On the other hand Sapp has a good reach, is intimidating to look at,
                          well, man... this is true for me... but what about Iron Mike? I think that Sapp could win only in a wrestling/grounfighting contest.

                          By the way, the most intimidating face is... Wanderlei Silva! he looks like an assassin searching for blood

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                          • #88
                            My personal view is that Bob Sapp will get some Serious Beats!

                            CroCop vs Tyson would be a much more even match.

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                            • #89
                              jeez Sapp is awful

                              Sorry to reopen this one but Christ Sapp is going to die. I have just watched the Crocop video posted above and this guy was blowing after the first 20 seconds of the match. Lets forget about Tyson being able to beat him, any half decent boxer in a K1 match would just have to dance around for 30 seconds letting big Bob swing away and come thundering across the ring and then tap him on the chin. Ali did it to Foreman years ago, it's called rope-a-dope.

                              If Tyson can get his footwork sorted, by that I mean bring himself back to the same level he was when he fought Lewis it will be over after the first clean punch to the chin. Lets face it Sapp moves forward and tries to corner you and then swings wildly. Tyson being small can easily duck and respond with a much better punch than knocked Sapp out above.

                              Sorry to open it up again as I said but that guys "style" will get him seriously hurt with any boxer that likes to fight moving to the inside. I can understanf why he is OK against a lot of kickboxers as they like to keep a reasonable distance between themselves.

                              Matt

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                              • #90
                                I think sapp is dead when is the fight

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