Triangle Choke Escape?

[MrPoopy]

http://209.210.237.17/~worldfreestylefighting.com/members/wmedia/erik_shooto/erik_kneebarfromtriangleescape_july9_100.wmv

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I've used the escaping part of this move to get out of a triangle, but I've never been able to follow it with the kneebar because they always go for an armbar when you do it, and they always manage to do it wrong and you still end up on top.

[Mr. Heel Hook]

Hmmm, interesting. Thanks for the link poopsmith.

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[MrPoopy]

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[Mr. Heel Hook]

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[shasan]

i've been in many triangles, lol, best way to escape them is to not get in them...

I've seen people pick up the opponent and slam him to the mat in an effort to losen the choke and it usually works (see any Quinton Jackson fight, lol)... lacks a certain finesse but I've seen it work.

Also I've lost triangles if I get stacked fairly intensely... but I think that may just be a lack of technique on my part.

[Mr. Heel Hook]

Originally posted by shasan


Also I've lost triangles if I get stacked fairly intensely... but I think that may just be a lack of technique on my part.

No no, that is an escape.

[crazyjoe380]

http://www.bjj.org/techniques/intheguard/escapetriangle/

[koto_ryu]

Depends on how desperate you are. If it's a life or death situation, I bet biting his nuts off will get you out of one

[EmptyneSs]

u can also tap out.

[JohnnyS]

A lot of bad advice here. Follow the link to bjj.org for one of the best ways to get out of the triangle.

[Ahoym8e]

A lot of bad advice here.

I agree.

Stacking on the head is gay, unless it is a life or death situation. All you are doing is hurting your training partner's neck...

The bjj.org link looks interesting, but I don't think it would work if the guy applying the triangle were finishing it properly by pulling down on the head.

The proper way to defend the triangle is to see it coming. If you leave only one arm inside, shame on you. If you make a mistake (like everyone does) and he starts the triangle, posture up and look at the ceiling. Reach around the leg with your outside arm and hold the wrist of your trapped arm, and press down on the opponents pelvis where the leg (that you are "hugging") meets the hips. Do this early, before he has a chance to pull his foot down into the crook of his knee.

If you sleep all the way into the completed position, you should just tap and start again, instead of spazzing out and trying some weird epileptic escape...

That said, I get caught in the triangle too, when I am not paying attention, or if the guy is a better setup man than I can forsee. It makes me angry that I was snoozing, since it takes more than one move to sink the triangle in deep.

Just keep practicing is the best.

[Ahoym8e]

Hey Mike, nice to see you posting again!!! I need to email you about something...

My definition of stacking is to position the hips of the guy applying the triangle vertically above his shoulders, and causing the base of his neck to bear most of his own weight plus much of the "escaper's." Some folks force the angle between neck and torso to be even more than a right angle. I don't think it is good for the neck, and I know lots of folks who have had to sit out class for days or even weeks because of sprained necks from this very escape.

I'm not saying that that escape doesn't work at all, I am just saying that there is a chance to hurt your training partner with that particular escape, and that it is "uncalled for" when other, more effective escapes exist. Some of the guys I know that insist on the "hurting-the-opponent-escapes" are mysteriously the same ones that get accidentally choked out with the collar, or accidentally knocked out during a sweep...

When guys try to stack me on my neck, I usually try to move my shoulders backwards (kind of rowing with my arms along the mat). When that doesn't work I can sometimes move my head to the side and roll over onto my stomach (like a backwards summersault), and continue working the triangle from there. And of course sometimes I just open the triangle becasue that is better than getting my neck hurt. If I'm lucky I can get a decent armbar from there. If not it's back to escaping the side control....

Anyway, different strokes for different folks

[Ahoym8e]

Oh, and I am not talking about simply bringing the guys knes close to his chin. In an armbar escape for example, the bottom (armbarring) guy can have his back flat on the mat, but I am going to bring his knees close to his chin to take all his leverage away to find a way to sneak my arm out. It's sort of like folding him in half at the hips. His weight is on his upper-middle back. That is not "stacking" in my book. "Stacking" is forcing lots of weight onto the base of the opponents neck and making the spine do a right angle (or worse) right where he neck comes out of the shoulders...

[music guy nick]

You gotta stack em up. This is kinda hard to explain, but you should be able to find alot of illustrations of it all over the net. Basically, your taking your free arm and shoulder and driving it into there face, lifting your backside in the air a bit as well. The basic guard pass the gracies teach to newbies is kinda the basic way to escape from a triangle you have been caught in.

[JohnnyS]

The escape on the bjj.org site is an excellent way of escaping triangle. I use it myself on people who have great triangles. It's also in Rigan Machado's book on triangle escapes. I'm pretty sure he said it was his favourite way of escaping.

As far as stacking the guy, if you drive your head forward with your hips down, like a sprawl, so that your hips are heavy on his hips, this will also work to escape the triangle, but won't work as well as the escape on bjj.org if the guy has he technique on tight.