Has anyone seen a 'karate chop' use in MMA events

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Originally posted by smith&wesson
Just a question: There was once a fight with Muhammad Ali against a karate fighter. Has anyone information about this thing?
Would be much appreciated

Wrestler, Antoni Inoki

[akja]

Originally posted by ryanhall
Knife hand is great, but I only like it to the throat. The collar bone is not a perferred target, but I could agree with Chris and see using it in competition.

I'd use for a smooth transition from a parry (from a right lead, my right hand parrying his right hand) to knife hand strike to the adams apple.

[smith&wesson]

Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL]
Wrestler, Antoni Inoki

Thanks for the head-up. I guess I had forgotten it because I was a big fan of Ali's box techniques.
Just one comment I found on the net:
"The best man in the ring that night will be Gene LeBell, who will referee."

If one wants to play football and the other one wants to play tennis, that will not work.

[Nutz]

Originally posted by smith&wesson
Not really a knife, more a frying pan. (always laugh my ass off when watching the early UFC fights).

IIRC, the guy doing the hit actually knocked the big guy down with that strike. It was more of an overhand haymaker than anything else (read: blindly swung his arm). The big guy ended up just rolling onto his big belly and covered up (imagine that, a big guy that never got hit for real). The short karate guy just kept clubbing him in the head, which ultimately led to him having to quit the tournament because he broke his hand. Hmm.... I wonder why?
(see my previous post)

[ryanhall]

Platinum Angel,
No, that was not an attack on a style. I do not believe that many people, regardless of style would have been been able to stand in the ring against Ali in his prime. I would be hard pressed to believe that a non-professional practitioner of a traditional martial art would have had much of a chance. That is my position. I did not demean Karate in any way, shape or form. Smartass.

[smith&wesson]

Originally posted by Nutz
The short karate guy just kept clubbing him in the head, which ultimately led to him having to quit the tournament because he broke his hand. Hmm.... I wonder why?
(see my previous post)

Buddy you are off topic. Keith Hackney, the "short guy" (in comparison to the fat sumo man everyone looks small) qualified with this fight for the semi final against Royce Gracie (!). Gracie won with an armbar after 5:30 min. Good job of Hackney to be in the game for five minutes!
Do me a favour nutz. Get yourself informed before writing.

[Nutz]

Originally posted by smith&wesson

Buddy you are off topic. Keith Hackney, the "short guy" (in comparison to the fat sumo man everyone looks small) qualified with this fight for the semi final against Royce Gracie (!). Gracie won with an armbar after 5:30 min. Good job of Hackney to be in the game for five minutes!
Do me a favour nutz. Get yourself informed before writing.

Speaking of getting your facts straight... He didn't get beat by Gracie until the next UFC (UFC 4). In fact, if memory serves me right, Gracie never finished UFC 3 and a replacement fought in his stead in the finals. I think he got hurt in the Quarterfinals, his opponenet threw in the towel for the Semis, and then Gracie's corner decided he couldn't fight in the final due to an injury of some sort. Here's the list of that UFC's results.

You're right though about Hackney. When I said short, I meant it in relation to the size of Emmanuel Yarborough.

Oh, and here is a listing of all the UFC match results up until 1998.

[smith&wesson]

I guess you are right nutz. Sorry for my flaming (I really thought I was right ) Haven't seen an injury of Hackney in and after the strikes.
Also I haven't understood since today the "outpowering" of Royce in the fight against Kimo. Royce did stand 15 minutes against the very good wrestler Dan Severn but not five minutes against the "amateur" Kimo? Mysterious.

[Tom Yum]

YES

Knifehand chop used in Pride Grand Prix? Sakuraba is in Gracie's guard and double chops his collar bone. Keeps Gracie's arms on the defensive.

[shasan]

yaaayy for Sakuuuuuu!

I've been told that many law enforcement agencies have brachial (or trachial? don't know which one) stuns as part of their H2H arsenal... executed with a ridge/knife-hand to the trachia(brachia?) ... one of the ones on the side of your neck. Shiyet... need to look that up.. sound like an idiot.

Wondering if any one's used (experienced) one...

But yeah, in terms of Pride/UFC... only knife hands I've seen have been used by Saku and they were mainly theatrical i'm guessing... woulda psyched me out totally though...

[Nutz]

Originally posted by shasan
I've been told that many law enforcement agencies have brachial (or trachial? don't know which one) stuns as part of their H2H arsenal... executed with a ridge/knife-hand to the trachia(brachia?) ... one of the ones on the side of your neck. Shiyet... need to look that up.. sound like an idiot.

Wondering if any one's used (experienced) one...

As I mentioned earlier. The chopping motion used with this strike is functionally the same when applied by the forarm, which is how I was tought when attending a police seminar back in 95-96. The nerves in the neck, when attacked correctly, can incompacitate a subject just the same as a full-fledged knockout. Those nerves are very exposed and make great targets. You can also give your opponent a double-whammy with chokes when applying this methodology. A sharp explosive blood-choke with the forearm really burried in there can stun the guy, giving you the added control to fully get the choke.

[ryanhall]

I agree that the neck is packed with nerves, and it is definitely painful to he hit there. However, I do NOT believe in knife hand knockout blows to the carotid artery and such. I have been hit very hard with a surprise knife hand to the side of the neck (must have been a karate guy or something), and I didn't go out. It hurt a bit, but I hit him with a hammerfist to the side of the head, and he hit the pavement hard. I think that knife hand strikes should be targeted at the front of the throat (windpipe). If they miss and hit the side, so be it. At least you were shooting for a better target. In addition, a strike to the throat is always potentially letahal, and it would sure suck to aim for the side of the neck yet end up collapsing the other guy's windpipe accidentally. Only target the throat when lethal force is required and justified.

[akja]

One advantage of a knife hand is its an open hand strike which is faster than a closed fist. The same with a palm strike. When your in clinch range, a palm strike is direct and fast. In that close a hammer fist works well. A lot of techniques get overlooked but simplicity works.

[chris davis 200]

The knock out blows to the neck using knife hand are usually applied to the point just above the shoulder muscle, the resulting pull on the tendons and contraction of the muscle has a similar effect to whiplash (but in more of a spasm motion) this causes the brain to be violently moved within the skull resulting in a knockout. The strike is made from a side position.

i have seen this done and have been very nearly knocked out from a light demonstration strike. I sure does work!!!

Tap yourself in this region n see how you think a full power knife hand would feel to the same region!!

Cheers
chris

[smith&wesson]

I agree. You can use it as a back or forehand (to speak in the tennis language). In a street fight it is very effective (a chop to the neck I mean) because your opponent does not expect it (they expect box punches). They will have problems to breath for one or two minutes and cannot continue fighting and sometimes it can be a serious injury.