Akidio for Street Defence

[JaredExtreme]

LOL Miyagi !

[grubbogoppoly]

Everyone keeps on talking to exceptions to the rule. If there are schools that are bad that doesn't make an art bad, it makes the school/instructors bad. I personally believe that all MA can work. . .When applied in the correct situation(right timing, distance, balance, space available, etc.) and these specifics are what makes the martial arts. The arguments as to which MA is the "best" or street effective are pointless. If we are going to measure the effectiveness of a martial art we have to take it, when it is done perfectly(or as close as possible). If you start talking about people who are doing it improperly then it is people that are poor in the street fight not the martial art.

[Snarlin Stef]

if you really ant to test what you learn... you need to spar... by sparring you know how you stack up vs real opponents.

i recomend you picka MA that invovles a lot of sparring so you are used to a fighting situation and feel comfortable and confident when put in a threatening situation.

[Thai Bri]

Grubby thinks all martial arts can work.......

Here lies the problem.

[chris davis 200]

They probably can -

when training with people in your own style in your own school etc or against extremely untrained people etc.

But i take your point that many arts would not stand up in UFC

[huey]

a lot of the problems involving fighting techniques or applications from martial arts into real fight situations are:

1.not training for the distances that fights really happen
2.of course the basics: speed, power, timing and others that can be fixed only with training with partners in sparring, and reactions
3.stances
but the martial art you choose for street fighting applications better have a middle zone battle strategy because more fights happen in that middle zone than in a lot of others. this zone is just outside your personal space (18 inches or so) but inside the area where someone can touch you.
this is where boxing does well, bjj, judo, even combinations of these like kickboxing, and muay thai are familiar with this area.
longer stances are harder to move out of in street fights and can pose a risk of take down to someone skilled in them.

boxers have the far zone (which could also be seen or used for a kicking zone depending on the situation) with a jab and then pass thru that one into the middle zone with a hook or cross. the boxer doesn't have to stay in that zone he can choose at that time to move into the close zone for work on the inside with short hooks and uppercuts.
a bjj fighter, judo practitioner, or wrestler will want to cross that zone quickly and get in close for a tie up and eventually submit you, knock you out or ground and pound.
tai chi recognizes this and will want to draw you into that area or let you come in and beat you silly with center line and weight transfer.
the harder style striking arts (or external) and even those that point spar, like the arm and legs reach area but not the closer.
tae kwon do, shotokan, and freestyle sparrers without styles (friends i have in each) like the distance and get flustered with the middle and close zones.

(list not finished though)

[Strepto]

Another Aikido effectiveness discussion...

I cross-train in aikido and kickboxing... Lets see if i can clarify things a little. A self defense situation is when you're in trouble and wanna get out of it quickly to save your life, either by running away, pinning down your attacker... anything to save your life even if you don't beat the crap out of the guy.

A street fight, as i see it, is when you wanna bash someone's face until he can't stand up. It's when you wanna hurt someone.

And UFC, well, it's a sport! With rules, like boxing, hockey, football. So when someone tells me that aikido wouldn't last a one minute in a UFC fight, well, , it's a sport. Let's put an olympic sprinter in a basketball game... he wouldn't do anything. That's cause he doesn't train for that sport.

So, for self defense, aikido works great. It's even better if you wanna restrain a drunk friend or someone you care about. You wouldn't kick his ass and break his teeth.

For a street fight, aikido would get you no where.

[Benjamin Dover]

I have fought 2 black belts from different schools in Aikido and they sucked. It was akin to fighting an adolescent. They were BRUTAL!!! I couldn't believe that they were even black belts. It's a crappy art

[grubbogoppoly]

Again you people are missing the point. .
"I have fought two black belts". I know black belts from all arts that can't fight for s*it. There will always be those people. Like I have been saying, it is the instructors and students that are failing and not the art.
Stop putting words in my mouth. Notice: I said all arts work in the right context (eg. timing, distance, speed and power) and when performed correctly. Those things are a part of what all TRUE martial arts are about.

[grubbogoppoly]

Huey:
"1.not training for the distances that fights really happen
2.of course the basics: speed, power, timing and others that can be fixed only with training with partners in sparring, and reactions
3.stances
but the martial art you choose for street fighting applications better have a middle zone battle strategy because more fights happen in that middle zone than in a lot of others. this zone is just outside your personal space (18 inches or so) but inside the area where someone can touch you.
this is where boxing does well, bjj, judo, even combinations of these like kickboxing, and muay thai are familiar with this area.
longer stances are harder to move out of in street fights and can pose a risk of take down to someone skilled in them. "

I do agree that distance is a great indicator of a fighters skill as well. BUT, I think you miss the point. In a street fight, there are ALL distances that you can encounter. Yes, you need to have a knowledge of grappling skills and inside skills to be able to handle yourself. BUT, think about it. In a street fight would you really want to go to the ground? If you are truly someone who doesn't pick fights, then no. If you go to the ground in a street fight then you are stuck on the ground. You may break joes arm, but in the meanwhile you still have to worry about his friend steve kicking your head into the curb and etc.
But again, don't get me wrong. I do agree to a large extent with no.3. You have to have middle fighting skills. But, you also have to have ALL other fighting skills.

[grubbogoppoly]

Damn, I was hoping someone would have a response. Oh well. I will move on to a seperate discussion.

[Thai Bri]

You did get a response - from yourself. As usual.

[grubbogoppoly]

LOL, funny. But, just another pointless post IN RESPONSE TO MINE I might add. I must be real important if you keep on spending your time responding to all my posts

[Thai Bri]

You spelt impotent wrong.